AWB unintended consequences?

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I'm thinking, if Feinstein's bill goes beyond all expectations and wipes out ALL detachable magazine semi-autos, what will happen?

My fear is, people will use what's left to them...a pump action shotgun with 5 rounds of 00 buckshot, with ability to jack in more cartridges during lulls in the action.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have someone spray 20 .223 at me than 5 blasts with 00.
 
Different tools for different jobs. If I'm 150 yards away I'd most certainly rather they shoot 5 times with the 00. If I'm 15 yards away - not so much.

Regardless, I'm not afraid of what my fellow citizens own or what they chose to use. Anybody with criminal intent is going to use whatever they want to anyways. I don't see the drug dealers making sure they comply with Feinstein's bill when they do their drivebys . . .
 
Considering how many magazines are in circulation, and the fact they can easily be made with 3D printers (or stolen from LE/M), I don't see this likely.

If it does work, people can just bring multiple guns. How many revolvers do you think someone can stuff into a backpack? Or they can use arson or explosives. Or, because these are places where people really can't defend themselves anyway, a machete or katana would be able to hurt a lot of people (even the survivors would be at risk of disease from blood exchange).

It doesn't matter what the BG has, whether it's a .22 short or a .50 BMG, it has the potential to kill me. It might be DOA, it might be two days later in the OR. What I am more worried about is whether or not I'll be legally allowed to purchase what I consider the best tool in my price range to defend myself. Because that 5-shot .38 special revolver might stop the bad guy, but I might want 17 rounds of 9mm or 30 rounds of .223 instead.
 
I think one of the most impacting consequences is that if they do ban these things in the numbers that they want. Firearms, magazines, ammunition, etc, etc, etc.
Think of all the jobs that will go away.
How many more in the unemployment line.
 
The last AWB (1994) had the unintended consequence of accelerating the development and production of incredibly efficient 10-shot sub-compact pistols, which one could make the case are even MORE advantageous to criminals wanting to disguise their intent (as well as for Joe Citizen).

Leftists are all about unintended consequences. The need to legislate perfection in Mankind -- such a mindset can only lead to totally messing things up.


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Different tools for different jobs. If I'm 150 yards away I'd most certainly rather they shoot 5 times with the 00. If I'm 15 yards away - not so much.

Regardless, I'm not afraid of what my fellow citizens own or what they chose to use. Anybody with criminal intent is going to use whatever they want to anyways. I don't see the drug dealers making sure they comply with Feinstein's bill when they do their drivebys . . .
When asked the usual question of "why do you need <insert latest buzzword here> I usually reply with a question: "What, specifically, do you have to fear from me owning a <insert latest buzzword here> - are you calling me a criminal?"
 
any good sheet metal worker can make a magazine.

You know, I was looking at some magazines and thinking that the other day... that with a bit of effort/thought *** I *** could make a magazine. I've certainly constructed a heckuva lot of other stuff more complicated. It wouldn't be as pretty as retail stuff, but I bet I could make something that works.
 
Here are some more unintended consequences:

1) A bunch of Democrats get wiped out in the midterms.
2) State governors see what's happening at the national level and in NYS, realize that the antis have way overplayed their hand, and start gingerly stepping back from further gun control
3) Moderate gun owners (like me) who might have been fooled into some "sensible reform" finally see the true agenda and dig in their heels. Huge mistake with NY's 7 round magazine limit. They should have at least tried for 10. Now anyone can see that they're not after hi cap mags. They're after ALL mags.
4) With all the panic buying, AR-15s become even more popular and desirable than ever, making the next attempt at a ban that much more difficult.

Good job Dianne!
 
I think one of the most impacting consequences is that if they do ban these things in the numbers that they want. Firearms, magazines, ammunition, etc, etc, etc.
Think of all the jobs that will go away.
How many more in the unemployment line.

Yeah, but they want you unemployed so they can force cheaper labor.

The people who ask why you need it. Ask them if they need all of the decorative junk in their home, multiple pairs of shoes, purses, make-up, do they really need that sports car or could they settle for something more eco-friendly and slower? Do they need knives? Couldn't licensed butchers cut their meat for them?

What about whatever hair-style they have? Do yo need a perm or blond dye, ma'am? Do you really NEED silicone implants? Do you NEED a credit card?

Do you really need to know why I have what I have or want what I want?

No, you don't need to know.
 
3) Moderate gun owners (like me) who might have been fooled into some "sensible reform" finally see the true agenda and dig in their heels. Huge mistake with NY's 7 round magazine limit. They should have at least tried for 10. Now anyone can see that they're not after hi cap mags. They're after ALL mags.
New York has had a 10 round mag limit since 1994.

Well, mostly. No new mags >10 rounds have been able to be purchased in NY since '94. the 10+ mags already there were grandfathered in.
 
Weapons bans/disarment leads to Genocide.

The banning of semi automatic Assault rifle lookalikes is tenamount to the destruction of the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution, takeing/banning the very weapons envisioned by our forefathers when they wrote the Bill of Rights.
They may not have envisioned what we have today, but the equality of arms among those who bear them is the basis of the Right.Military/Police/Citizen....... Im sure they didnt envision the internet or TV broadcasts, and its use of the 1sta Amendments Right for Freedom of the Press and Free Speech, but its what has developed and what we have to deal with.

Either way, the sde effects to disarment , besides a Police state, is Genocide, by that Police State.

More people died this Centurey in Genocide than died in Warfare, of all types.

An armed population is the only deterrent to genocide.

Jews, Intellectuals, Kulaks, Armenians, American Indians, political undesirables, Gypsys, Catholics, Tutesie's, etc, etc, were all disarmed before the slaughter.

Wounded Knee was the largest slaughter of unarmed Women and Children to date, and the latest North American Genocide was the murder of hundreds of thousands of Mayans in Guatamala in the 1980's

The Second Amendment is about defending yourself, your Kin, your State, your Country, against both Foreign and Domestic enemys with small arms of military type.

If you are defending yourself , you are in COMBAT.

Ask a Combat Vet if they would preferr a double barrel shotgun (Bidens ideal for self defence after hurracains) for such work, or anything less than a high capacity mag for use.

As to Militias, my father in Law was part of the irregular Milita called up bythe govonor when the Japanese invaded Alaska. He was given an M-1917 and alotta ammo, as well as a mission while hunting and traveling, to keep an Eye out for the Enemy and report them ASAP. The Eskimo Scouts pulled their weight and took their rifles home after the war. The Federal regulated Militia, The Alaska Territorial Guard "ATG" absorbed all those of age, and those too young or old still remained active in village Militias. At one time I collected those ATG rifles, as many remian in the villages they protected.

We all have a duty to our Country. Resistence to tyrrany IS our Duty , as Citizens of this country. Armed or not, we all must Make our choices, as this problem is not going away, becaue not all laws are Right and not all Rights are lawfull. We must preserve our Rights, Liberty and Constitution, even if the media and lawmakers do otherwize. Vote Vote Vote, 'cause the day may come when even that is not an option.
 
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I'm thinking, if Feinstein's bill goes beyond all expectations and wipes out ALL detachable magazine semi-autos, what will happen?

It'll be just like Prohibition. People will ignore the law mostly, lose respect for all laws, and both corruption and organized crime will flourish.
 
The greatest danger is open revolt. When people feel oppressed by their government some of them begin to hate it; at a minimum, the government loses some respect and support. If you add in increasingly bad economic conditions, an increasing number of people have little to lose by rebelling, especially if they see government increasing taxes on them, but passing out favors to special interests, the bank bailouts for example.

And a certain number of people will not obey the law and will turn to underground trade like they do for illegal drugs, except this time it will be for illegal guns and magazines. It will probably be even more difficult to track guns used in crimes once they enter the underground; if you illegally sell one of your guns to someone else, you are not likely to identify him to the police even if you find out he used it in a crime because that incriminates you in the illegal sale.
 
Difference is the Feds or ANYONE won't able to nab the new wave of leaders for tax problems. LOL

And EVEN IF they manage to stop some of them, there are WAY to many willing and able suppliers to fill the demand/need for privately owned firearms!

Former com bloc organized crime with literally tons of soviet surplus, Mexican cartels who get their guns straight from Eric Holder, Anti-US terrorist groups, Third world country warlords, corrupt foreign (and some domestic) military/LE, street gangs, domestic organized crime and anyone with access to some basic milling and/or stamping equipment will be able to meet the demands of the American public.

They government is going to be opening a big can of worms with all this restrictive crap.
 
Here are some more unintended consequences:

1) A bunch of Democrats get wiped out in the midterms.
2) State governors see what's happening at the national level and in NYS, realize that the antis have way overplayed their hand, and start gingerly stepping back from further gun control
3) Moderate gun owners (like me) who might have been fooled into some "sensible reform" finally see the true agenda and dig in their heels. Huge mistake with NY's 7 round magazine limit. They should have at least tried for 10. Now anyone can see that they're not after hi cap mags. They're after ALL mags.
4) With all the panic buying, AR-15s become even more popular and desirable than ever, making the next attempt at a ban that much more difficult.

Good job Dianne!

Possibly best case scenario? But that would mean the bill passes
 
I'm thinking, if Feinstein's bill goes beyond all expectations and wipes out ALL detachable magazine semi-autos, what will happen?

My fear is, people will use what's left to them...a pump action shotgun with 5 rounds of 00 buckshot, with ability to jack in more cartridges during lulls in the action.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have someone spray 20 .223 at me than 5 blasts with 00.
I am going out on a limb and call troll here. Is this not just an attempt to also demonize those guns that presumably are not on anybody's ban list by proposing scenarios that would make somebody want to ban them?
 
I am going out on a limb and call troll here. Is this not just an attempt to also demonize those guns that presumably are not on anybody's ban list by proposing scenarios that would make somebody want to ban them?
I think his point is how it's weird that the anti's love the shotgun so much when it shoots the most deadly commonly available projectiles of all.

But the answer is: the shotguns are next. They want the support of "sportsman and hunters" with them this time.
 
any good sheet metal worker can make a magazine.
And pretty much anyone can take a couple of 10-round mags and make one 15-20 round mag from them. Done that many a time in the past, when longer mags were just not made for specific odd guns. Doesn't take much to do so.
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You know, I was looking at some magazines and thinking that the other day... that with a bit of effort/thought *** I *** could make a magazine. I've certainly constructed a heckuva lot of other stuff more complicated. It wouldn't be as pretty as retail stuff, but I bet I could make something that works.

I received an "infraction" for the above post. Can ANY THR moderator please tell me why? There are no inappropriate words, no attacking anyone , no attacking anything, just a simple statement that I believe I could make a magazine. Why the infraction?

To the moderators: Before you issue an infraction based on some stupid scanner you are running, try READING the post.

p.s. Hi cap magazines are NOT banned in my state. I can make one if I want.
 
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