ammo shortage

don't know

Don't know. Depends mostly on what the politicians do, it may never get any better than this again. Seems like last time that within a year things were looking better. But Who knows?

There is no end in sight. The buyers are stressing the market forcing companies to pay for overtime to make more at higher cost of what is selling the most. Due to .223, 9x19,....crowd sadly soon even fellow like me shooting 10x25 will see empty spaces with labels attached. Instead of buying non-perishable food items and batteries they're buying ammo in quantities vastly exceeding reasonable needs.

According to Hornady, they are running full-out and can't meet demand. It's nuts.

I think this is going to go on for some time.
There are thousands of new gun owners that will be buying ammo for some time to come.

If gun owners have learned their lesson, many should wise up to the fact they should have a year or more's amount of ammo put aside. So the smart ones will will keep buying so as to not be caught with their pants down again.

Then there's the problem of the out of control liberal government that will continue to make it hard on gun owners. So we had better get all we can, while we can.

I knew things were bad when I couldn't find .22 magnum anymore.

I mean c'mon, REALLY??

.22 Magnum?? Who hoards that for any reason??

Anyone heard any tin foil hat theories about the gov't buying a billion rounds?

It will take some time, as it did last time to return to normal. Very few manufacturing companies can absorb a huge increase in demand. Either they are labor limited in not having a surplus of skilled people. Or their equipment is already fully employed. Too many companies are pared to the bone in our uncertain economic times. I'm sure they will ramp up as soon as they can, but they will be doing it carefully in our equally uncertain political times.
Those are just my opinions of course.

Guess the economy isn't all that terrible if so many people can keep buying up all the guns and ammo in sight!

mec56 said:

Anyone heard any tin foil hat theories about the gov't buying a billion rounds?

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No tinfoil involved! DHS supplies millions of rounds each and every year training police officers. A billion rounds is just a couple years supply for DHS training. Not to mention having a stock pile in the event the SHTF. DHS doesn't just train their own officers. They train police officers from all across the country.

The current ammo shortage is due to a cut in production capability that took place before Obama thought about running for president. Almost all ammo that doesn't have components that are considered as "trade secrets" is manufactured abroad. Winchester metric rifle ammo is made by prvi partisan for an example.

Midway among other companies is restricting quantities to individual customers. If every company does this, availability will return quicker. Otherwise the panic will feed off itself and every time a box of ammo hits the shelf it will be snapped up.

Yes, DHS is securing 1.6 billion rounds actually right now. No tinfoil stuff at all.

In know my local gunshop could barely keep any of the popular cartridges in-stock even before the gun-ban scare, and they were charging 13.99, 14.99 for 9x19 Remington UMC . I think some locations just sell out easier, and the recent panic-buying has amplified that effect.

If gun owners have learned their lesson, many should wise up to the fact they should have a year or more's amount of ammo put aside

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I guess it depends on how much you shoot, but I don't even have room in my house for a year's worth of ammo if I shoot at the rate I desire. The real problem is that people who don't shoot frequently are buying cases of ammo now too.

I talked to the owner of my LGS and he showed me his distributor catalog. He literally CANNOT get 9mm at any price right now. He was pricing out magtech .380 at $23/50 and he paid 21.50/50 just to get it in the door. He's making almost no money on ammo right now.

People are slow learners. During last shortage period .40S&W was plentiful. The same is true today. Instead of buying .40 they try to squeeze every fps out of the 9x19 by choosing +P or sometimes +P+ ammo. Not very smart of them if you were to ask me.

I bought .357Sig and saw 10mm for less than generic 9mm (9x19) yesterday.

Can't find 9x19 for decent prices.

Seeing more .45ACP

.223 is coming down a bit.

And lastly can't find 9x18!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

American public effectively disarmed by threats of "bans" on many firearms.

American public effectively disarmed by threats of "bans" on many firearms

Huh???

It has not been that many years ago that the statement was popular..."buy a 9...you will ALWAYS be able to get ammo"

Huh???

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Back in the first Obama panic someone came up with a really beautiful piece of circular logic that attempted to prove that ... let me see if I have this right...

Obama wants to prevent folks from being able to buy guns, so he intentionally created a panic with the tacit goal of making folks buy guns in record numbers, thus cleaning out all gun store inventories of all guns and ammo, and buying every gun the manufacturers could produce -- so that there wouldn't be guns on the shelves at the local gun shops so folks couldn't buy guns. So, in the end, making folks buy ALL the guns was his way of making it so folks couldn't buy guns.

That's one of those bits of thinkin' that leave you with that pleasant dizzy feeling like when you stand up too fast!

The current situation is the equivalent of when normal consumption is displaced as in the example of fuel sales during a weather event which disrupts the normal distribution and consumption cycle. This equates to the adage of a wise man urinates when he can not when he must. From a manufacturing stand point why make capital investments in manufacturing capacity when the demand is not with in a normal rate of predictable consumption. They the manufactures have been thru these cycles before and so has the consumers.

It has not been that many years ago that the statement was popular..."buy a 9...you will ALWAYS be able to get ammo"

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:banghead: And all my friends were "consolidating" - "only need one caliber". "Don't want to stock other ammo"

Me? I have so many calibers even I think it's a bit nuts. Well not really. Crazy like a fox - I have now seen 10mm and .357Sig lower priced than commodity 9mm. This was my plan - and people laughed at me! Simple really, zombies leave whatever ammo laying around. I scrounge it and most likely have a gun for it. Or during sane times, buying this or that on sale is much easier.

Seriously I predicted this. Seems like something I learned from playing the markets for nearly 40 years.

OilyPablo said:

:banghead: And all my friends were "consolidating" - "only need one caliber". "Don't want to stock other ammo"

Me? I have so many calibers even I think it's a bit nuts. Well not really. Crazy like a fox - I have now seen 10mm and .357Sig lower priced than commodity 9mm. This was my plan - and people laughed at me! Simple really, zombies leave whatever ammo laying around. I scrounge it and most likely have a gun for it. Or during sane times, buying this or that on sale is much easier.

Seriously I predicted this. Seems like something I learned from playing the markets for nearly 40 years.

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It definitely makes the 9mm/.40/.357 sig interchangeable automatics attractive. Same as a convertible single-action that can shoot 9mm, .38, and .357

I saw this coming last year and stocked on reloading supplies. I don't feel like I need 5000 rounds. I did buy a 17 hmr because the bullets are plentiful.

Probably this time next year things will be calmed down.