To all NY'kers with an AR/M-4

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There is another version of the NY legal AR/M-4 that is being sold by DD's Ranch.

I have NOTHING at all to do with them other than as a customer ---- NO break at all in price I pay !!.

BUT he has a welded in 10 round mag lower that is NY legal according to all his inquiry with the State police in Albany.

The law reads that the rifle in question must be semi auto AND have a detachable mag as well as at LEAST one of the following = bayonet lug / flash suppressor or threaded muzzle / pistol grip / adjustable stock / vertical foregrip.

BUT as long as it does NOT have a detachable mag. = your not on that list.

SO he welds in the 10 round mag and you get a LARGE takedown pin that allows you to fairly easily open the action and then load the mag from the top.

All other items then become a mute point,as the rifle is not under the rules and is still a semi auto rifle.

Reasonable price for a complete lower [ about 400.00 ].

This is not an ad for them,I have NO reason to sell their product = just want all fellow NY'kers to be free to keep their AR/M-4's.
 
Necessity is the mother of invention. This will drive the antis in NY nuts.
 
i wonder if there's a way to load stripper clips from the baseplate of the mag.

kind of like speed loaders for a shotgun
 
"Moot" point, not "mute".

Good on him for developing a workaround, but good, honest, law-abiding American citizens should NOT have to resort to such measures! The stupidity in all levels of our Government has reached epic proportions. It's become a cancer that's devouring us.
 
now someone needs to modify the mag to accept stripper clips as well
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If you hinge the upper/lower receivers open, the top of the welded-in magazine should protrude enough so that you can use a stripper clip adapter. Since 5.56 mm stripper clips hold 10 rounds, with one motion you can reload the magazine. Sounds workable to me. But knowing the antigun mentality in the NY legislature, as soon as this is generally known, they'll move to close this "loophole."
 
If Americans would stop putting traitors in office, we wouldn't need loopholes in order to practice our Constitutional rights.
 
Bullet button nogo for NY? What about something a little less drastic then welding like a screw?

Mike
 
its not welded, I looked at their guns at the show in hamburg a couple of weeks ago. it has some sort of non functional mag release that doesn't move. if you move to a better state, I would imagine you could drill it out and replace it, so you could use magazines like a normal person does.


I don't know why ANYONE would buy them if they are attached in some sort of way that isn't conveniently reversible. What happens if the mag stops working properly, you have to buy another receiver and hope the internal mag lasts longer this time around? I don't think so. the fixed magazine in my model 70 and tube feed rimfires are detachable as well, with the right amount of work put into it.

the law doesn't state anything about the gun not being allowed to be "serviceable", if parts wear out. a spacer and an acorn nut on the mag catch would satisfy the stupid safe act.
 
I too wondered about the bullet button. Technically you need an object (tool) to remove the magazine...then again, isn't EVERYTHING on an AR "technically" removable with a tool??? (stock, handguard,) and the other parts are removable by hand (bolt, buffer, etc.)

Has anyone researched the Bullet Button???

This lower sound interesting, but $400 just for a lower is too rich for my blood. I'd go with a complete Mini for a few hundred more and still be compliant.
 
someone on another forum said the way the SAFE act is worded, a bullet button supposedly wouldn't work, since once a magazine is detached, the gun has the "ability to accept a detachable magazine".


there is another "work around" that has been come up with for NY, called the MR2 ( I would imagine it means "magazine release 2"). it renders the magazine release inoperable until you pivot the upper off the lower receiver, thus disassembling your gun to remove the magazine, making it a fixed magazine.

all this just to have detachable 10 round magazines seems sort of silly to me. Like I stated earlier, a spacer and an acorn nut will "fix" your magazine to the rifle, and if I ever move out of state, a socket will take it off with no damage done to the rifle. Nowhere in the SAFE act does it state that the magazine must be permanently fixed.
 
How can rational people live in a place like NY? It's befuddling to me. Did all those gallons of blood spilled for freedom over the years mean nothing? :eek:
 
Sounds like a great opportunity for a VZ 58 since the open bolt easily accepts stripped clips.
 
car15bill said:
someone on another forum said the way the SAFE act is worded, a bullet button supposedly wouldn't work, since once a magazine is detached, the gun has the "ability to accept a detachable magazine".
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Interesting line of reasoning. But, by that line, wouldn't an SKS have a "detachable magazine" as well? Once you've disassembled it, it could then accept a detachable magazine? As in, that magazine that you just detached from the gun by disassembling it?

Silly.
 
yep, that's what I thought. but the popular opinion on another forum for ny is that "disassembly" of the gun to get the mag out means its a fixed mag.

and fwiw, I guess the sks is still good to go in NY. Don't ask me about those 20 round fixed magazines though. that's how stupid this law is.
 
Why live in NY?

1) It's where I grew up
2) It's where all my stuff is
3) I own farmland that's crawling with deer and turkey
4) All kinds of water to fish
5) It's a very very pretty state...at least upstate

Gotta take the bad with the good, I guess.
 
OrangePWRX90 !!

I too was born in this state a LONG time ago,and until recently it was a great place to live,hunt AND shoot.

I hope we [ the "upstaters' as the NYC crowd calls us ] can retake OUR state and prayerfully create a separate state from NYC.

After all WE own the water,power,and produce that 'they' eat and keep warm & fed with !!.
 
Isn't that the same system they have had in CA that now has been or will be banned? You have to break open the gun to load the magazine.

And isn't the mag limit in NY 7 rounds? Apparently the M1 Garand is banned even though the magazine is not detachable because it uses an 8 round clip?

Jim
 
And isn't the mag limit in NY 7 rounds? Apparently the M1 Garand is banned even though the magazine is not detachable because it uses an 8 round clip?
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5 round clips can be had for the Garand.
 
no, we can have 10 round mags, but can only load them to 7 "unless" you are at a range. and an m1 garand is exempt, the law only goes back 50 years.

not only that, but a garand is actually 7+1 whenever it is actually loaded.
 
All I knew was that CMP was told they could not ship M1 rifles to NY state because they could hold 8 rounds.

Jim
 
To say the reverse of what is commonly said here, "it's not a magazine, it's a clip.
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Actually, he was right. The M1 Garand does have an internal magazine that is fed by en-bloc clips.
 
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