.38 Special for older S&W

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So on Sunday, I'm planning on loading up some .38 with Unique and 158 grn LSWCs.
Data I have on hand is as follows:
Hornady 8th ed. 3.3 (650 fps, meh) to 4.2 grains.
Lyman 49th ed. 4 to 4.5 grains
Alliant's website 4.2 (rounding down, 10% reduction gives 4.23) to 4.7 grains

Was leaning towards the Lyman start load of 4 grains for some mostly informal plinking. Seems like a no-brainer, but I am loading for a Smith & Wesson from 1920.

The serial number puts it past the initial period of heat treatment, but I have been told that the process was refined in the '30s, and am wondering if this seems like a reasonable load.

I am sure I am worrying about nothing, but was hoping for some input from those with more experience.
 
4g Unique under a 158g Bear Creek SWC seated to 0.400" depth (1.43" COL) gives me a very comfortable 760 fps out of a 4" Ruger Service Six. That's enough pressure to get a decently clean burn. 3.3g might result in lots of unburned flakes and soot. If you want a light 650 fps, use 2.3g Clays (if you can find it) or Titewad.

My favorite load has been 5.0g Unique which gets me a stout 980 fps, but that's more in the .357 pressure range which is fine for the hefty Ruger.

I think anything in the 3.5-4g range would be fun to shoot and safe in the old gun. Unique is very forgiving and the only downside of "underloading" it is a dirty burn.
 
Thanks for the input.

The powder puff 650fps load was less than interesting for me, and is for a specific Hornady bullet which I am not using.

There won't really be an environment for serious accuracy testing, so I figured this would be a nice lower/middle load that would be fun and perhaps even useful. I know this gun is not made of aluminum foil and glass, but don't want to over stress it. Again, I am probably being over cautious. Not necessarily a bad thing...

5 grains is WAY more than I would be comfortable with in this particular gun, though out of a more modern Smith or Ruger I am sure it brings grins.

Thanks again.
 
Shoot a factory duplication load, as that is what the sights will be regulated for. Loads in this territory should be just fine for pressure, as the pressure for stadard cartridges is, by modern standards, pretty mild.
 
The Lyman manual should have pressure numbers.
According to Speer Manual #10, (1979) standard pressure for 38 special was 18,900 cup.
According to Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition, a 160 gr lrn with 4.2 gr Unique yields 11,400 cup. 5.3 gr Unique produces 18,500 cup.
 
Yessir, I saw the thread about the loads for the 36. I was just concerned as to the age of the gun. I know that most folks say that .38 was dumbed down in the '70s, and I was probably okay. It has been suggested that I stick to lead bullets, and watch the pressure.

I will probably pick up a Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, I only have the regular Lyman book (and the Hornady book of course) at the moment. But seeing as how I will be loading .38 spl and .45 Colt, it seems like it would be handy.

Like I said, I was just being overly cautious. I'll load up some with 4 grains for the camping trip, then work up a load properly when I have more controlled circumstances.

Thanks for taking the time to answer me, it is appreciated.
 
Yep, my starting load for the 158 grain LSWC from Mo. Bullet Co. was 4.0 grains Unique and after working up the load I found that 4.3 grains pushed the bullet out of my 6" S&W 686 for a nicely consistent pattern at 25 yards.
 
It's likely that 4 gr will work well, and you won't need any additional work-up.
 
Yessir, I saw the thread about the loads for the 36. I was just concerned as to the age of the gun. I know that most folks say that .38 was dumbed down in the '70s, and I was probably okay. It has been suggested that I stick to lead bullets, and watch the pressure.

I will probably pick up a Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, I only have the regular Lyman book (and the Hornady book of course) at the moment. But seeing as how I will be loading .38 spl and .45 Colt, it seems like it would be handy.

Like I said, I was just being overly cautious. I'll load up some with 4 grains for the camping trip, then work up a load properly when I have more controlled circumstances.

Thanks for taking the time to answer me, it is appreciated.
I have the Lyman 4th edition Cast Bullet Handbook. Not only is it an excellent book if you're casting it's a valuable tool if you load cast bullets too.

I suggest any of the 158gr LSWC bullet loads in that book because all are below 17,000 PSI with many being only at or just below 16,000 PSI for max loads.

W231 3.6gr to 4.0gr.
The 4.0gr load generates 15,900 PSI which is my favorite .38 Special load bar none.

Unique 4.0gr to 4.5gr 16,000 PSI

Bullseye 3.0gr to 3.4gr 16,600 PSI
 
When shooting pre-World War Two revolvers being cautious is a virtue. That said, 4 grains of Unique behind a 158 grain lead bullet shouldn’t cause any serious strain.

Do however be sure you don’t accidentally get a double charge.
 
Lots of good info and advice here. Good to know that I shouldn't have problems with my planned load. Other powders will have to wait for the future, as all I have is Unique at the moment. Well that and 9 pounds of IMR 4895 (gonna run out of HXP M2 ball eventually), but I think I'm going to have a hard time finding .38 recipes for that.:D

Old Fuff said:
Do however be sure you don’t accidentally get a double charge.

Big yes sir on that one. I am still new to the process, having loaded a handful of .45 Colt, lots of extra room in that big case. With all the horror stories of trying to meter Unique, I have been weighing every charge. Setting the drop low, weighing, and trickling up to the desired weight in the pan actually. Think I'll fashion some sort of dipper and see how that works.

At any rate I have been most cautious with the charging of the case. Never hurts to be reminded, though. Thanks to all.
 
1. Charge 50 primed cases and place them in a bullet block, mouth up.

2. Using a good flashlight, inspect each cartridge in the block. A double charge should be obvious.

3. "cork the bottle" by placing a bullet in each charged case so they can't be charged again.

4. Proceed to seat and crimp each bullet, and do not charge any more cases until you are finished.

Repeat as necessary. ;)
 
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