Glock Problems

I am assuming that with 40 posts, and 3 or 4 on some others in the thread. That some reading of past posts will clear up all of your problems. All of your questions have been asked and answered several hundred times. Just use the search feature.
Weather everyone likes them or not they will all agree that they are a reliable weapon, that' s how they made their mark, to suggest they aren't Is nonsense..

Do a search on any handgun and you'll find folks out there having problems.The only semi I own that's 100% is my beretta 84bb. I love the way the glock 36 shoots and carrys for me. I will take the time and effort to get it 100% also. My springfield xds 45 feeds fires and ejects everything but I get wacked in the forehead now and then.

Todd Green of pistol-training.com said a long time ago that the days are over for buying a new firearm that works perfectly out of the box and continues to work perfectly as long as it is owned.

Still, too many people expect the impossible. When the impossible doesn't happen, they complain about it on the Internet. And others pick up on it and the whole thing turns into a turd snowball.

Enough already. Nobody builds hand-fitted firearms anymore except for the custom gunmakers who charge you several grand for their pistols and even these get complaints from buyers who expect perfection. Nobody is making perfect pistols. Not Glock, not SIG, not HK, not CZ, not S&W not Nobody.

My Glocks are 2nd and 3rd Generation models. The only one that's ever had failures has been the 2nd Generation G19 that started having feeding problems after 18 years and having never replaced the recoil spring. Duh! The only Glock I've owned that had any sort of problem brand new was a 3rd Generation G30 that had a bad spring in the disassembly mechanism. This never affected function and the armorer at the dealership fixed it in 5 minutes. All of them will occasionally toss brass at you--it's rare and not a problem unless you want to complain about it at your support group get-togethers. The plastic sights definitely are cheesy and I have them replaced immediately upon buying a new Glock but, then again, I used them for nearly two decades on my oldest G19 and they managed to stay attached and allow me to hit what I was shooting at.

I'll close with another bit of wisdom from Todd Green's website. In his endurance test of the 4th Generation G17, he shot 71,260 rounds over 473 days before ending the test due to potential damage to the breech face of the gun. During the months that he tested the G17, he only cleaned it a total of 9 times. Over this time, he had 19 stoppages, 0 malfunctions and 3 parts to break. Even considering the potential damage, Glock said the gun was likely good for another 10,000 rounds and Todd said he would continue to shoot the gun for practice and in comparison tests. That's 1,425 boxes of ammo through the gun with little cleaning and it was still working but likely had suffered damage.

Now tell me again how crappy these new Glocks are.

My own experience has been with three gen3 models.
Glock 30. Worked perfectly, late Gen3
Glock 26. Works perfectly, late gen3.
Glock 17OD. Works perfectly, late gen3, "dip" extractor.

A friend recently bought a gen4 Glock 34. We put 150rds through it one day at my rifle club, and it worked perfectly, no BTF. Nice pistol, but I shoot my G17 just as well, and my G26 is close.
The G26 in particular is on my "never sell" list.

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The G26 in particular is on my "never sell" list.

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My G26 Gen4 is the same...I never had a gun I had this much confidence in that was stock. My Wife? Not so much. She has had 3 FTF's and the gun abraded her shooting hand in the first 25 round she put thru it. Must be her. No problems for me.

Our Beretta Px4 SC? She has 500 rounds thru it without a hickup and shot it from the get go very accurately. I had several FTF with it and couldn;t hit the broadside of a barn with it until I had 500 rounds thru it. Yesterday with my hand loads it was a tack driving maniac machine at point shooting in rapid fire.

I wonder how many "bad guns" are bad luck or a bad match with the shooter? Now that they are not hand fitted I suspect that one out of every so many is just off a bit and needs a little trip and attention by a specialist to tune it up.

Maybe?

VooDoo

I'll close with another bit of wisdom from Todd Green's website. In his endurance test of the 4th Generation G17, he shot 71,260 rounds over 473 days before ending the test due to potential damage to the breech face of the gun. During the months that he tested the G17, he only cleaned it a total of 9 times. Over this time, he had 19 stoppages, 0 malfunctions and 3 parts to break. Even considering the potential damage, Glock said the gun was likely good for another 10,000 rounds and Todd said he would continue to shoot the gun for practice and in comparison tests. That's 1,425 boxes of ammo through the gun with little cleaning and it was still working but likely had suffered damage.

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The HK P30 went 20000 rounds over it...

True about the HK but the OP was asking about Glocks.

Like I said, I still like Glocks a lot but I'm just concerned and hesitant to drop that kind of money with what I'm hearing. I appreciate all of the replies.

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All you can do is try one. Doesn't matter what any of us say.The one thing about Glocks on the used market is you generally can get most of your money back and sell it quite quickly.

I have a G17, G19, and a G21, all of them are 2nd Generation. Never han any interest in 3rd or 4th Generation Glocks. I have no need for the finger grooves nor the rail to hang some doo dad. Mine are plain and simple, they work and are as reliable as they come.

The Glock Gen 4 had some problems with the extractor and dual recoil spring.

Those have been fixed.

Buy with confidence -- I own several Glock Gen4s, and all of them run just fine.

I have a late g19 gen3 and have had no issues. It is my HD and CC gun of choice. I fully intend to get a gen4 soon. The original gen4s had some issues. Four years later I am confident they have them fixed. Even if you do have an issue I've heard good things about their CS and local armorers. It's such a great all around gun it's hard not to love despite it's less than pretty looks. If you get one, shoot and carry it you will see why they are so popular.

And I have a Gen 4 G26 purchased a couple months ago that is reliable and flawless as well so far. Not that this mean *every* Gen4 Glock model and individual will be this way but I don;t see and issues being epidemic or indicitive in any way that the new Glocks are "junk" as the Dude at our LGS told me.

Then again, he and several others sold their SA XD-s's as soon as they came back from recall stating that the triggers are ruined as is the reputation of the company. That's just not true but in any case shooters often throw the baby out with the bath water when things go wrong/not the way we anticipated.

VooDoo

I agree with the posts above- send the gun back to Glock. Their service is excellent- and I am not even a "Glock guy!" I do have a lot of time on Glocks, and I've sent a couple in - they will take care of you.

I have two copies of the Glock 19 Gen 4. One is a 2011 copy with the maligned 2011 '337' ejector. The other is a newborn-- a 2013 with the updated parts.

I picked up the 2011 in January, 2013. The original owner reported no issues with it. I had no issues through about my first 2500 rounds through it, then finally had two BTF occurances using Walmart stuff (Federal 115gr). I got curious after that, and ran Blazer 115gr, Magtech 115gr, Speer Gold Dot +P 124gr, Speer Gold Dot 147gr, and Fiocchi 115gr through it. No problems to speak of. It is important to clarify: When the brass hit me those two times, the weapon continued to function. This was brass to the forehead, not a failure to cycle in any way.

I got my 2013 copy a little over a month ago, and I'm already at 1,050 rounds through it. No issues. It tosses cases more uniformly than the 2011 copy does, and I haven't had anything remotely near my head.

As able, I plan to trade the 2011 copy in for another 2013. This is mostly related to the beavertail backstraps, and simply getting into a copy that hasn't had quite as much 'living' on the springs.

"I think I figured out the problem. Here's a quote: "Around 2009 Glock started making the locking block, firing pin and extractor (these are the parts that have been confirmed by Glock) by MIM." "

And how is this a "problem"?

Any new process in any endeavor is labeled as inferior. Using castings instead of forged metal was supposed to result in cheap, inferior firearms that would self destruct on use. At least that was what some people said until Ruger came along with its state-of-the-art metal casting facilities that resulted in some of the strongest firearms built today. Hell, people used to be afraid of gasoline-powered vehicles due to potential fires and electricity was frightening to many people because of possible electrocution dangers. In time, all the skeptics were proven wrong. Along the way, there were a very few fires, electrocutions and broken firearms but, on the whole, all those innovations proved to be improvements or, at the very least, excellent alternatives.

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I own 2 Glocks. A G32 I bought in 2000 and a G23 I bought in 2002. I also have a Kahr P9 Covert.
The G32 ( converted to .40 ) has run flawlessly for upwards of approximately 12K rounds. During the first 4K or so, I ran it with aluminum cased .357 Sig ammo until I converted it to .40 cal.

The G23 and Kahr were both purchased in 2002.
The Kahr had to be sent back before firing a round as it had a double reset, the first of which actually didn't reset the system. Kahr took it back, rebuilt it and got it back to me in about 10 days. I probably carry this gun more than the others now.

The G23 ran through a half dozen training classes and sometime after one of the later classes, I noticed one of the rear rails missing. Not sure when it broke but it was probably during one of those classes. Regardless of the broken rail, it never has a hiccup during the class.

Having said all that, the 2 guns which needed work are my primary carry guns. When asked about how reliable they are my answer is "pretty good so far".

You can probably buy a $150 gun and get one that never has an issue. It may depend on how many rounds it sees. I've had people tell me how exceptionally well their gun does and never, never has had an issue. When asked about round count, I was told in one instance "a lot". When pressed for an amount, the guy said well over 300 rounds so some peoples perception of reliability isn't the same as other peoples.

I'll run these guns till they break or prove unreliable. I'll then buy another and run it till it's no longer reliable. I would buy Glock and Kahr again.
I believe people get hung up on thinking their brand new gun should, in fact, be perfect for life. So should our cars.

I got into Glocks a couple of years ago. Here in California, Gen 3 guns are the norm in new, as Gen 4 are not on the approved list. All eleven of my Glocks are Gen 3, and six were new when I bought them. I own a 17L, a 19, a 21, a 21SF, two 23s, a 26, a 30, a 30SF, a 34, and a 36. Other than a few WWB rounds that failed to fire - in any gun - I have had no failures of any kind. I carry three on my CCW - the 26, 30 and 36. I shoot about 5k rounds a year through them.

I generally don't have problems with ANY of my guns. Other frequent shooters include a M&P 9c, a Shield 9, a Sig 2022 9mm, two Colt 1911s, a Baer SRP, a 22/45, a Browning 1911-22, and a couple of .22lr conversions from Kimber and Advantage Arms for 1911s and Glocks. I don't shoot my revolvers much, but no problems there, either.

I rarely clean my handguns - I just wipe 'en down to keep my hands and clothes clean. Every once in a while I will field strip them, brush out the gunk, and lube them lightly. I only detail strip if I'm replacing parts - which is very seldom.

I believe many problems with modern firearms, particularly autoloaders, stem from owner maintenance/modifications/improvements. I keep mine out of the dirt, don't take them apart without cause, and shoot the heck out of them. YMMV, but it works for me!

I think a number of people are assuming the OP is mindlessly bashing Glocks. If you read closer you'll notice he's having an issue with the recently manufactured Glocks. He's not expecting all Glocks to be 100% all the time. He just thinks the newly manufactured Glocks have worse reliability than the older Glocks. If I am off OP please correct me.

I am in the same position as the OP. I have wanted a Glock 19 for years but been unable to afford it. I've wanted the Glock because of its legendary reliability. However, after doing some research I am seeing a lot of claims of various problems. Like OP, I don't feel like dumping $100 of questionable aftermarket parts into a brand new gun if MIM is really the issue.

I think I figured out the problem. Here's a quote: "Around 2009 Glock started making the locking block, firing pin and extractor (these are the parts that have been confirmed by Glock) by MIM."

That's right when everything went to hell. I'm sure that most Glocks are fine, but it seemed like before that every Glock was flawless. I don't ever remember hearing about Glock problems. I saw pictures comparing the before and after and they look noticeably different on the inside. I'm still considering a Glock, but it looks like I was off by about 5 years.

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That is really interesting, it could be not just a coincidence.

"I think I figured out the problem. Here's a quote: "Around 2009 Glock started making the locking block, firing pin and extractor (these are the parts that have been confirmed by Glock) by MIM." "

And how is this a "problem"?

Any new process in any endeavor is labeled as inferior. Using castings instead of forged metal was supposed to result in cheap, inferior firearms that would self destruct on use. At least that was what some people said until Ruger came along with its state-of-the-art metal casting facilities that resulted in some of the strongest firearms built today. Hell, people used to be afraid of gasoline-powered vehicles due to potential fires and electricity was frightening to many people because of possible electrocution dangers. In time, all the skeptics were proven wrong. Along the way, there were a very few fires, electrocutions and broken firearms but, on the whole, all those innovations proved to be improvements or, at the very least, excellent alternatives.

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The problem is that probably Glock didn't know enought about MIM technology: they jump in it to cut costs and they let the customers to be their beta-testers for, at least, four long years.

I see many members reporting no issues with their Glocks which I'm sure it's true, but I have one question for you: have you ever let someone take a look at the ejections of your Glock while shooting? Take a look at a hickok45 Glocks video and compare it to the HP35, or the CZ 75 and see the difference from yourself. And not because hickok45 is limpwristing the Glocks... I mean, probably an erratic ejection is not going to affect the reliability of the gun, but I don't think that everything is working 100%, unless it's design related...

Doing anything other then shooting a $600 gun is absolutely unacceptable to me. No machine is going to be flawless forever, but they were idiots to change it in the first place and obviously they still haven't gotten their crap together. After seeing all these problems I've decided that I'm not taking the risk and I'm getting something else.

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I think you may be putting a little too much consideration into what you read on the internet. People with M&Ps, XDs, FNs, Berettas, etc. have problems. Stuff happens. You can find negative experiences about any make and model. What you should look at is the average experience. On average all of the above mentioned brands (and many more besides) deliver reliable guns, including Glocks. So if you like the design just go with it, instead of letting internet comments decide it for you.

Either way I wish you the best and hope you find the gun you are looking for.

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[/I know the local Shooting Instructor at the range tells folks/told me the Glock sights are junk and to replace them before shooting the gun in his class. I have no issues with them unless they fall out of the gun and then I'll upgrade to something nice I guess.QUOTE]

Most shooters do change out the sights. However, there are some extremely good Glock shooters who do prefer them. For me, I use TruGlo TFO's on my Glocks. Both carry and competetiion.

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