Those are great results and I think just moving up to a 280 rem will yield 3000 fps with the excellent amax 162 grain with a .625 bc
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@ACP
Did I say shooting people? Did I say I wanted to be a SOCOM sniper? What the is your problem?
Just because they're man sized doesn't mean it's not target shooting.
As far as my knowledge of ballistics goes, most of the shooting I've done in my life has been inside of 100 yards or reaching out to 500-600 with 5.56, I have an interest in doing long range target shooting not being a sniper, your comment sickens me personally.
And just FYI my work doesn't pay for sniper rifles because we don't need them, I'm a deputy U.S. Marshal and I'm of the opinion that not to many people do actually need anything they buy but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to buy it. Just because I don't take down tangos in Astan makes me scary for wanting this? To me this would be a more useful hobby then golf.
Did I say shooting people? Did I say I wanted to be a SOCOM sniper? What the is your problem?
Just because they're man sized doesn't mean it's not target shooting.
As far as my knowledge of ballistics goes, most of the shooting I've done in my life has been inside of 100 yards or reaching out to 500-600 with 5.56, I have an interest in doing long range target shooting not being a sniper, your comment sickens me personally.
And just FYI my work doesn't pay for sniper rifles because we don't need them, I'm a deputy U.S. Marshal and I'm of the opinion that not to many people do actually need anything they buy but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to buy it. Just because I don't take down tangos in Astan makes me scary for wanting this? To me this would be a more useful hobby then golf.
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Thanks, that helps a lot. Does super charging the loads like that make the guns wear faster or be dangerous in anyway? I know you said you were within they're pressure ranges, but hand loads always made me worry about things like that, thanks again.
Thanks, that helps a lot. Does super charging the loads like that make the guns wear faster or be dangerous in anyway? I know you said you were within they're pressure ranges, but hand loads always made me worry about things like that, thanks again.
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If you say. I'd use another term then. I'm not being PC. Anyone on THR will tell you there is ZERO self-defense motive for shooting 600-1,000 yards and certainly no animal should be humanely attempted at that distance. Long distance target shooting is an entirely different story, a true vocation and life-learning experience. I think NRA 1,000 targets have a 3-4 foot black. If you are serious get ready to spend a lot of money and trigger time once you find a 1,000 yard range. BTW, nothing wrong with a 5.56mm for target work, they are wining at Camp Perry. And the .308 milsurp is not going to help in the accuracy dept., I would look into handloading.
USSR
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First, hand loading is the only way to get the optimal performance out of any round, so that along with the savings you will find will cause you to move in that direction at some point. Dangerous? Not if you pay attention to what you are doing. Heck, shooting itself can be dangerous, so this is just one more avenue in which you must pay attention and be careful. Wear faster? Perhaps the barrel will wear a little faster, but what causes a rifle barrel to really wear fast is to shoot rapidly for a long period of time, which is typically not done with a bolt action rifle.
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I............can't....believe......what ...some.....posters....wrote.
Buy what you want, shoot whatever sized target ( I prefer shooting woman-sized targets
) you want.
As far as caliber? 150gr from a 270 is pretty much up to par for 1k. shooting
Buy what you want, shoot whatever sized target ( I prefer shooting woman-sized targets
) you want.As far as caliber? 150gr from a 270 is pretty much up to par for 1k. shooting
Ro1911,
Out of the .30 calibers you mention I would go with the .30-06 with a good 180 grain boat tail. Better at wind drift. Quality ammo for the .30-06 will always be available.
.308 is good with 150 to 165 grains but the 06 shines with heavier bullets.
.300 WIN MAG barrels don't live long and the brass costs more. If you chose the .300 go with a 200 -220 grainer.
.338 Lapua is a USASOC generated fad that will hopefully go away. The components cost way more and who needs a cartridge that costs damn near 100 bucks a box for 20?
Oh, anyone using .338 WIN MAG for long range shooting?
Out of the .30 calibers you mention I would go with the .30-06 with a good 180 grain boat tail. Better at wind drift. Quality ammo for the .30-06 will always be available.
.308 is good with 150 to 165 grains but the 06 shines with heavier bullets.
.300 WIN MAG barrels don't live long and the brass costs more. If you chose the .300 go with a 200 -220 grainer.
.338 Lapua is a USASOC generated fad that will hopefully go away. The components cost way more and who needs a cartridge that costs damn near 100 bucks a box for 20?
Oh, anyone using .338 WIN MAG for long range shooting?
lots of good advice here. Either 30-06 (enough case capacity to push a high BC projectile fast enough) or else go to a reduced bullet in a large case (270, 6.5, 7mm) to get the velocity with a long bullet (for high BC). At short ranges lightweight allowed me higher velocity, and outbalanced the lower BC; but at longer ranges, the drops were astonishing. I hit at 800 with a sawed-off Mosin but it took 40MOA or more of compensation.... minor changes in velocity/distance cause complete misses then. Flatter trajectory is key to accuracy, I think, which is why you see so many pushing for ANYTHING that gets your velocity up with higher BC bullets.
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Former THR moderator and founder of Thunder Beast Arms Corporation, Zak Smith, wrote a great article several years ago about the .260 Remington. What always stuck out to me is this section:
If I was buying new rifle with the intention of shooting and learning to shoot targets out to 1000 yards the 260 Remington and 6.5 Creedmoor would be at the top of my list. You get as good or better trajectory than .300 Win Mag, give up very little energy, and you can practice all day without be distracted by heavy recoil.
If I was buying new rifle with the intention of shooting and learning to shoot targets out to 1000 yards the 260 Remington and 6.5 Creedmoor would be at the top of my list. You get as good or better trajectory than .300 Win Mag, give up very little energy, and you can practice all day without be distracted by heavy recoil.
nyresq
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RO1911, if you are who you claim to be, try out for SOG, not only will you get one, but they'll teach you how to use it... Or talk to some of the soggers in your district, they will either educate you or put you in touch with some other DUSM's who will.
Most guys would not throw out a claim like that on a web forum if they actually were. Most try to maintain a lower profile...
Most guys would not throw out a claim like that on a web forum if they actually were. Most try to maintain a lower profile...
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Rudedog, that was directed at someone who claimed to be a US Marshal... If he is, he will know exactly what I am talking about. If not, then he wont...
@nyresq, hints I haven't mentioned it before, acp really pissed me off. As far as sog goes, I really don't like getting shot at or law enforcement. I'm trying to find a new job so why would I try to get a more hazardous duty just to get "sniper" training? Thanks for the advice, but I'm not in any position to go that route. As far as the soggers go, I never thought about asking them, probably not a bad idea, but most LE "snipers" focus on precision shots at shorter ranges from what I understand, I may be misinformed.
@rudedog it's a usms thing, sog = special operations group and they are basically badasses, not to be confused with the Vietnam era sog = special observation group.
@rudedog it's a usms thing, sog = special operations group and they are basically badasses, not to be confused with the Vietnam era sog = special observation group.
nyresq
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You don't like LE but yet you have one of the hardest LE jobs in the country to get?? Thats funny... Getting a dusm job has been compared to hitting the lottery...
Thanks for all the info guys, I've decided to go with a 3006, I was already leaning that way because of all the ball ammo I already had, but after hearing about the handloading potential of it and the barrel wear in 300 win mag my minds made up.
Gentlemen asks a question about a long range caliber and it turns into an investigation/interrogation of his profession and his intention for desiring to do something perfectly legal and in my book plain fun...not very high road in my humble opinion. I try to take people at face value - especially in this case what is the harm?
Anyway, i just put together a 6.5 CM after much research and plan to shoot up to 850 (longest range close to me). Ballistically you couldn't do much better shooting a steel torso unless you are looking for a louder ding.
Good luck with your decision and let us know how it goes!
Anyway, i just put together a 6.5 CM after much research and plan to shoot up to 850 (longest range close to me). Ballistically you couldn't do much better shooting a steel torso unless you are looking for a louder ding.
Good luck with your decision and let us know how it goes!
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I really wanted it when I was younger and worked my ass off to get where I am, but as you'll find with most jobs, they get old after awhile and I went straight from the usmc to this, I had never been LE. I can make more money doing other things and as soon as I have a job lined up I'm out. As far as hitting the lottery goes its not that bad, I had family that were where I wanted to be so I knew the marshal and that plus being qualified or over qualified helps.
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I love me some .308 goodness. But it is a 1,000 yard round. That's a very long way. But for the accomplished long range shooter, the other three calibers mentioned have an edge. The .30-"06 delivers another approximate 500 yards, the .300 and .338 even more.
Now, as someone who is just getting into the long range game, I'll advise you to get two rifles, if you don't have one of them already. Buy a good quality .308 or .30-06 and a very good .22 bolt gun. Since you've got a bunch of (presumably) M2 ball, I'd go for the -06. This will let you spend more time behind the rifle for less money than the other two. Forgive the analogy, but you don't need to buy a hot-rod while you're still learning to drive a stick shift. Trade up when your ability warrants it.
Also, be prepared to spend as much on good glass as you spend on the rifle. Maybe considerably more.
Now, as someone who is just getting into the long range game, I'll advise you to get two rifles, if you don't have one of them already. Buy a good quality .308 or .30-06 and a very good .22 bolt gun. Since you've got a bunch of (presumably) M2 ball, I'd go for the -06. This will let you spend more time behind the rifle for less money than the other two. Forgive the analogy, but you don't need to buy a hot-rod while you're still learning to drive a stick shift. Trade up when your ability warrants it.
Also, be prepared to spend as much on good glass as you spend on the rifle. Maybe considerably more.
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So far the rifle is the cheapest part of what I'm buying, I'm looking at a remington 700 long range in 3006 $900ish and adding an eberlestock steath $2000 and as far as optics go I'm looking at a luepold mk 4 of some sort probably $1500+
Is there a better model of 700 then the long range? Keep in mind that I'm want to get one with a cheap stock considering I'm dropping it into a $2000 chassis.
So far the rifle is the cheapest part of what I'm buying, I'm looking at a remington 700 long range in 3006 $900ish and adding an eberlestock steath $2000 and as far as optics go I'm looking at a luepold mk 4 of some sort probably $1500+
Is there a better model of 700 then the long range? Keep in mind that I'm want to get one with a cheap stock considering I'm dropping it into a $2000 chassis.
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Tikka T3 is a good action and has 30-06 as well.
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