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OK, so I'm not into ARs but have been thinking about getting one. The problem is I know next to nothing about them. I'm a bolt and lever man, always have been. With that in mind, the selection is a bit overwhelming, with all the different manufacturers and steel or polymer lowers etc... I also don't typically like to go lower end stuff, can someone point me in the right direction?
 
Also please consider Danial Defense. $1200 and up. I feel they are the best bang for your buck. Very accurate and reliable!
 
The tier 1 rifles are generally regarded as: BCM, Colt, KAC, Noveske, LMT, Daniel Defense. I'm sure I'm missing some.

If it were me I'd go Colt or BCM. Colts are priced low right now and BCM is just great.

I'm assuming you want a 16'' carbine?
 
I do want a 16" and I my dealer has a colt for about 1k that I really liked I just wasn't sure if it was worth it
 
As much as it pains me to suggest it, if you need/want a brand name AR, Wal-Mart usually has the best price on a Colt (LE6920), even a Sig-Sauer (m400).
 
No doubt you should shop it. AR's are coming down in price as stocking levels are high compared to demand. It's definitely a buyer's market.

What kind of AR is the more relevant point. Just like bolt and levers, the features on that specific gun slant it's performance in a specific direction. A nice English double magnum with express sights is pretty good on rhino and elephant, but squirrel, not so much.

So, just the same as buying a car, you need to be specific about what the gun is going is going to do. That means specifying what range - how far it's going to be really used, and what target. Paper is different than live game or humans. A long range paper target rifle doesn't exactly fit the bill with you are really needing a short range defensive carbine.

Brands mean nothing until you specify range and target. If you plan a two mile commute with nothing more than your lunch, saying "Cummins Diesel 3/4 ton Dodge!" makes no sense. If that is what you want regardless, OK, plenty do, but it goes to the range and target goal. There is none - it's more a situation where impressive possession is the real goal.

After that, the AR needs to be considered in it's own light. It does not work or act like a manual action arm, it's a self loading action, and it conforms to self loading guns which work a great deal more differently. One specific issue is that all self loading actions open the chamber while there is still residual gas pressure in the barrel, and they will all pass that gas into the action - blowback, delayed roller, piston, or DI. Regardless. And cleaning them means doing so to maintain function, which may not be as clean as you think. An issue M16/M4 will fire 300 rounds with no necessity of cleaning. In fact, Colt has tested them and the mean rounds to failure is up past 3,000 to 5,000 rounds. That the soldier carries only 300/500 rounds at a time is significant, and that daily maintenance is required to clean the weapon from the normal environmental crud that builds up should be understood.

What it boils down to is that the AR gets shot 5-10 times MORE than the average manual action rifle, and the caliber has a lot to do with it. Add in $8 a box ammo on the shelf and it's a different game - you can shoot 500 rounds of ammo in a long range day where the larger cartridges in bolt and lever guns tend to inhibit it.

Being able to shoot three times more ammo ups the probability that the occasional bad round will be fired more frequently. What would be one out of a hundred with a bolt gun at the range becomes five out of five hundred ripping thru magazines.

The gun isn't at fault for that - yet the AR gets a lot of blame because of it and the shooting community doesn't step thru the math to understand what's happening. They take the limited experience and low consumption results of a manual gun and insist the self loading gun meet the same expectations. And when it's pointed out that their .22's do that, they give them a pass because "it's just a plinker and can't be expected."

Things are different with self loading guns, put previous experience and expectations developed with manual actions aside. AR's are not the same and can't be treated the same.

You will enjoy being able to tear a bolt down in 30 seconds or less, quite the difference compared to taking out the bolt of a Win 94 - which is nearly a gunsmith level exercise requiring hours. AR's are really different and extremely user maintenance friendly. They are in fact the hallmark design and have influenced every combat rifle design since then. Once familiar with how they work, you understand a lot more about self loading actions and how they work, which is a completely different world compared to manual actions. It's exactly like putting a gas motor in a horse drawn buggy, or switching from dial telephone to digital programmed.

Welcome to the future, shooting won't be the same again. You just stepped into the modern age of firearms, ironically it started about 100 years ago, and the AR is nearly 50.
 
I don't care as much about name as I do quality. I want something reliable long lasting. I know reliability comes with care and maintenance. I'm just not sure if it's better to buy and learn and then build or the other way around. Right now I'm thinking buy one and learn what I need to know and then build exactly what I want.
 
All of the brands mentioned are fine. You can't go wrong.

But, the AR is different enough from what you're used to that a training class will really help you enjoy your AR. Many ranges offer basic AR classes that cover operation, use, cleaning, etc. Great stuff. Don't know where you are in Texas, but here's an example:

http://www.firearmstrainingfortworth.com/firearms_training_fort_worth_036.htm

More advanced courses are great fun and enhance your skills.
 
Good advice given above. A Colt 6920 (or 6720 w/the thinner/lighter bbl) would be an excellent quality "first" AR w/o spending a ton of cash. If you can't afford the Colt's $850+, I've heard very good things about the S&W M&P Sport as an entry-level AR (appx $550 if you shop around).
After the rifle, get a sling, optic (quality optic if this rifle may be used for HD/SD), extra mags, lots of ammo, and lots and lots of practice (a good weekend carbine class will do wonders acquainting you w/the ins and outs of the AR platform).
Tomac
 
Make it easy on yourself. Get a Colt and nobody will question what you got...nobody. Get a S&W and get just about the same result...but at less money.

AR differentiators vary dramatically based on your intended use for it. Nice thing about Colt, it is built to standards that are beyond just "milspec". Smith and Wesson does just about as well.

A good Colt is about $900. A good S&W can be had for as little as $599 without the forward assist and the dust cover...all else being very good. Probably get a higher-end S&W that will match Colt feature for feature for $700.

There are probably 25 other very good ARs you could get. So I made it simple:)

I went the S&W M&P15 Sport route because for me it is just a hand rifle to shoot for fun and some home defense which every AR excels at if it's a reliable on. My S&W has been extremely reliable.

You open up an AR-15 and it's so simple. It is such a brilliant design. You wonder why it wasn't invented 75 years before it was! Of course manufacturing and metallurgy made it possible.
 
You can get a great rifle for under $900. Rock River is known for their tight fit and tolerances.
Set you budget and go from there.
 
Do not forget Spikes Tactical!

I got a ST-15 Mid-Length for my first AR. The rifle is awesome!!!

Look at AIMSurplus, $799 free shipping!
 
I've always been a Rock River Arms man first, but I do have a couple of Colts.
Most of the long time shooters at the local shop are into benchrest, and RRA seems to be the AR of choice if you place a premium on accuracy (without getting into ridiculously priced / boutique AR's).

'Course, I've yet to hear of anyone locally discovering they've sacrificed reliability due to the accuracy of the RRA's.

Iff'n I was to buy a budget / first time AR these days, I think I'd go with:
1. Ruger AR-556.
2. S&W Sport.

I don't really need another AR, but after the newness wears off the Ruger, and hopefully the price will drop another $50 or so, darn if I might not bring one home.
Our local shop got quite a few of them in when they were released, but he finally sold out. I think his price was $599 - I'm waiting for around a $550 price on 'em.
 
Also please consider Danial Defense. $1200 and up. I feel they are the best bang for your buck. Very accurate and reliable!
+1 on the Daniel Defense Or Ambush Arms (Daniel Defense Hunting / Camo AR15's)
I own 4 and two uppers from them.
Most gun quality for the $.

I have more expensive Wilson Combat, Knights Armament, LWRC at $1,000 over the D.D. but see no advantage over the D.D. & Ambush?
 
I tend to only recommend buying a built upper anymore. Then build the lower myself. It's easy. Plenty of vids and how to's out there. But, complete Colt rifles aren't going to get any cheaper. Easy money there.

Any decent lower assembly will do. The upper is where you want to spend money if it's going to be a defensive carbine.
-BCM
-Larue
-Noveske
-KAC
-Colt
-LMT

Another option is to just buy any basic complete KISS carbine from Colt, Stag, RRA, etc. etc, shoot the heck out of it. And when you have more experience, then buy a fancy upper assembly from BCM or whoever.

No idea what you're after, it would help if you knew what purpose or style of AR you're after.

Pick out something from a pic thread and post it:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/510264_Official_AR15_com_Picture_Thread_part_22.html

Or build a simple KISS $400 kit. Get the lower locally. Like:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...-7-chf-mid-light-weight-pinned-rifle-kit.html
(upper is already built)

Stag Kit, just add a stripped lower:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_22/1...KIT_LESS_STRIPPED_LOWER__625_FREE_SHIP__.html

Now, If you have no desire to build at all, that still doesn't mean you have to buy a complete rifle. You can just buy a complete upper with bolt carrier group online. And then get a complete lower assembly from your local gun store.

For example:
This upper complete with free(ish) bolt carrier group and PWS 556 permanent pinned flash hider (to make the 14.5" barrel a legal 16"):
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-14-5-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-MI-p/bcm-urg-mid-14 mit12.htm
+
http://www.lmtstore.com/lower-halves/guardian-lower-with-collapsing-stock-and-standard-trigger.html

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one bad arse complete rifle.
 
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I'm a die hard Rock River Arms fan. You'll find it very difficult to find a bad review on any of their rifles.

Do they still use crap charging handles and commercial receiver extensions?

I've broke one of each, on the same rifle.
 
How did you manage that? In what manner did they break?

They have hundreds of thousands of guns on the market and as far as I can remember this is the first time I have read a report of someone breaking either.
 
I, too, am new to the AR platform. (Having no interest at all in owning one until my governor said I couldn't.) So I ask, how does Bushmaster rank?
 
The charging handle snapped while pulling on it. Granted, I usually pull the CH one handed since the latch is on the wrong side (for me), so the right side of mine have little to no finish left.

I broke a bushmaster the same way.

I can't remember how I managed to break the buffer tube.

To be fair though, this rifle was from a while ago, when 2stage triggers were optional and before the full page "DEA" advertisements.

When I put my 9mm together I used a Colt charging handle, and milspec receiver extension (stag?).
 
Dunno about the charging handle, but they do still use a commercial buffer tube. I don't mind, because the ONLY difference is diameter.

I probably will never find out about the charging handle because I just ordered a BCM Gunfighter CH with the large extended latch.
 
Personally after more than a dozen ARs have gone through my hands, I decided my favorite configuration is:

20" chrome lined light or Gov profile barrel, with Wylde chamber if possible
Free floating Quad rail
A2 type front sight
Telescoping stock (Magpul CTR)
Wilson TTU 2-stage trigger
Carry handle and Aimpoint T-1 optic to interchange
 
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