Need help finding a good handgun

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Hi guys, I am looking for a good reliable handgun for a CCW. But, The problem I have is that I am trying to find a certain type of gun and am not having much luck. I will try to best describe what I am looking for: It has to be all steel, No aluminum or alloy or polymer. Second, I would like it to be forged, Not cast. I do not want to start a forged vs cast argument, It's just what I am looking for. Third, I would like it to have a barrel no longer than 3.5". What I am basically looking for as far as looks is a 1911, I like the looks of the Colt Defender models, But they are aluminum frames. I have also seen the Kimber Super Carry Ultra HD, And I like the look of that aswell, But people say that Kimber quality is kinda hit and miss from what I have read and that their repair jobs are not the best. I need something that will save my life if it ever comes to that(which I hope it does not) and is comfortable to carry on my side all day. I know that all steel guns are heavier than alloy or polymer, But I like the durability that steel has and I also want something that will last as long as me. As far as caliber, 45 is ok, But if at all possible 9mm would be good aswell so my wife can shoot it too. I had a Colt 1911 a while back and she did not like it, She said it kicked too hard, But she loves my Springfield XD9 though. Any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks for taking the time to read.
 
Welcome to THR! It seems to me that at least two of your requirements (that it be all steel and 3.5" or less) are at odds with the reliability requirement. You have basically described a 1911 (there are few other all-steel guns in that general Officer's size range), and the shorter 1911s are notoriously unreliable vs the full sized. The 1911 was designed to be the size of what we now call the Govt Model and doesn't respond well to being chopped down. Obviously a talented gunmaker can maybe make it work but it's not the norm.

Actually, as I type this I realize that you'll probably be better off with a Ruger or S&W revolver. They're all steel and can be had with barrels of 2" or 3" and from .38/9mm up to .44 Mag or .45 LC. Reliability will not be a problem, either.
 
How about a used Colt Series 80 Officers Model? Forged steel frame (available in a blued finish or stainless), 3.5" barrel, chambered in .45 ACP. Mine has been totally reliable and I can't tell any difference, in terms of recoil and muzzle rise, between shooting this gun and a Combat Commander. STI also has the Duty One 3.0 with a steel frame and is available in 9mm. as well as .40 S&W and .45 ACP. One downside though is that it's rather pricey at around $1400.
 
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I like the Sig 239 or 938 but doesn't sound like that's going to do it for ya

Maybe the revolver is a good way to go? cant get much more reliable

-Matt S.
 
I think that you might want to look at a compact CZ75 variant. The EAA Witness, or the Canik slash Tristar are good clones and not expensive. The CZ USA versions cost a little more. It is a well proven design used in many countries for almost 40 years now. I have never heard anything about the smaller versions being unreliable. I am 99% sure that you can get a compact version made of steel. Don't get me to lyin about cast or forged. Mine is full sized and I love it.
 
Phaedrus- That's what I figured, That is alot of requirements for one pistol, I figured they would clash with each other one way or another. I actually did have a Ruger LCR in 357 and I liked it, But my wife HATED it. She could not hit the broad side of a barn with it and hated the recoil. She also did not like the fact that the grip was so short. And part of the reason I want one like I do is for her aswell, If I am not with her when she goes out she can take it with her and she has to like the gun too. So a small revolver is kinda out of the question.

Clang- Seecamp guns are a bit too small, I want a gun that I wrap my hands around with all my fingers on the grip, It just does not feel right with one or two of my fingers hanging off the bottom of the grip.

Bannockburn- I might consider a series 80, I have looked them up and they are not too expensive. But as others have mentioned, I have read about reliability issues with the smaller 1911's. If yours has been reliable, Would you sell me yours, lol.

FLNT4EVR- I heve seen the Para's, But I thought they were all cast frames?

OpticsPlanet- I love Sigs, I used to have a P225, Loved that gun. I always regretted getting rid of it. Sig is not out of the question, I have even considered a 938, And I may end up going with one if I cant find what I'm looking for.

Tallball- I like CZ guns, I would probably get the actual CZ version instead of the clones if I got one. I really like the look of the 2075 RAMI, But it is an alloy frame.

Thanks to all of you for the responses, I am not going to make a final decision until the beginning of January after I have read all of the responses and done more research.
 
And part of the reason I want one like I do is for her as well, If I am not with her when she goes out she can take it with her and she has to like the gun too. So a small revolver is kinda out of the question
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Got my wife a Glock 42 for Christmas, and this past weekend we shot it for the first time. She finally gave up her Ruger SR22 for the Glock 42, saying it was just as easy if not easier to shoot. I'd rather she have a 9mm or greater for self-defense, but if it is a choice between a .380 or a .22LR vs. nothing, I'll settle for the .380.

Prior to the G42, she hated my Glock 26 and my J-Frame .38, preferring her Ruger SR22. I'm just happy she made the decision (on her own) to trade up to the G42.
 
It sounds like you're really in the market for two EDC guns, one for you and one for your wife. My wife also detests my S&W 1911 Officers Model simply because her hands don't fit on the grip will and it has quite a bark to it compared to her 38 Special that she carries.
 
John- I have had 2 Glocks before, I did not really like them. I bought the first one because of the reputation they have for reliability, Shot it a few times and I just did not like the way it felt in my hands so I sold it. The second one I bought a few years later going to give it another try, And the same result. Not saying anything bad about them, They are good guns, Just not for me.

Guyfromohio- I saw the EMP, But as you said the aluminum frame is what put me off. Really nice looking gun and I like Springfield, But I just wish it had a steel frame. If it did, It would be on its way to my FFL now.

Joe- It would be nice to buy 2 guns, But Cost is the biggest factor. I would probably get a Colt Officer 1911 for myself, And a Ruger LCP for her(she does not care about the polymer frame as much as I do, In fact she prefers them because they come in pretty colors, lol). If I can afford it I may do it, But I would like a Colt in stainless and they run around 1k for a nicer one, And that is my limit I have to spend on one.
 
Kark K9, mine is a great gun and large enough to be able to shoot it well, small enough its easy to carry.

I'm not a fan of tiny, hard to shoot carry guns, I prefer to carry a larger gun that is easy to shoot well, I usually carry a P226 with no issues.
 
Sol- Around $1,000

Strambo- I am not a fan of tiny guns either, But the MK9 says it includes a finger grip extension on one of the mags, And I really like that it is stainless steel. I have very much considered a P226R, But not as a carry gun though, A bit too big for me and way too big for my wife. Would make a excellent Home Defense gun though, But I have a Springfield XD9 for that.
 
What makes you think that a forged steel frame is going to last significantly longer than a forged aluminum frame, or an industrial grade plastic frame with hardened steel inserts? It seems that your forged steel frame requirement is based on a false assumption.
 
SemiAutoSniper, I hear ya on the P226 and wasn't recommending it for carry, but consider the K9 over the MK. It should be more reliable and a lot easier to shoot (better grip, less recoil). Unless you are looking for a pocket gun, you won't notice the size of the K over the MK in a holster.

Ideally, you would be able to try out both before deciding.

A problem for your wife with any small auto will be a strong recoil spring making it tough for her to work the slide. Kahr's are notoriously hard in this regard. Generally, the larger the slide mass, the lower the spring weight.

Not sure why it matters if your wife likes it since you already have the XD9 she likes? My wife has a revolver because that is what she likes, even used in a 2 day defensive handgun course hanging with all the autos.
 
Any top grade carry guns will outlast the owner, regardless of what materials they are made from. Glock type guns have put a million rounds in torture tests and comfort is subjective, you really need to try some more guns.
It sounds like a Shield, Xds, Glock 26, 27 Kahr Pm9, or several other well known time proven guns are there for you. Buy one after shooting a few, and the worse thing that can happen, is that you sell it and move on.
 
Ugaarguy- As I said in my original post, It's just what I want. I do not want to argue about it, But the fact that there are still 1911's around that are from the 40's that still shoot as good as the day they were made says alot to me(as long as they were taken care of). As far as aluminum, It is a softer metal and will probably wear down a little more than steel with the more shooting I do with it over the years. I buy guns to shoot, Not to sit around and look pretty and to just say that I have them. I have a 1928 Mosin Nagant in very nice condition with a very nice shiny bore, I shoot it regularly without a second thought. I do not own any safe queens. I shoot everything I have... Alot. And I want something that will hold up better if I happen to drop them aswell, I have seen alloy guns with significant gouges taken out of them from being dropped from 5' where as steel guns dropped the same distance will just have a couple of nicks taken out. Also, Steel frames weigh more than alloy, So it will help with recoil a little aswell. And as far as polymer, I don't hate it as you seem to think I do, I have said that I have a Springfield XD9 which I am sure you know has a polymer frame, And I love that gun. I have no problems with polymer frames at all, But as I said I like the steel better, Especially in smaller guns to help with felt recoil. These are just my opinions, Yours are obviously different than mine, So I ask you to please respect my wishes and to not start an argument over steel vs aluminum vs polymer. This type of gun is just what I am looking for. I don't have anything against alloy or polymer guns at all, It is just not what I am looking for at this time. If you can tell me any useful info on forged frame aluminum guns than I will gladly listen, I am not an expert on metallurgy by any means and I welcome all the info I can take in, After all, That is how we all learn.

Strambo- I will consider the K9 over the MK9, There is not too much difference in the sizes to make it more uncomfortable to carry. And now that you mention it, I do remember reading something a long time ago about the Kahr springs being pretty stiff. And I want one for my wife aswell because she does not want to carry the XD9 because of the size, She wants something that she can carry IWB like me.
 
George- I guess I am just old fashioned, I like good old steel on my guns and my cars. And as I said I like the additional weight that steel provides for less felt recoil than a lightweight alloy or polymer gun has. The last time I shot a small polymer frame pistol I was fine with it, But my wife didn't like the recoil that much. She said it was not too bad, Just a little snappy and that threw off her aim a little for the follow up shots.
 
What makes you think that a forged steel frame is going to last significantly longer than a forged aluminum frame, or an industrial grade plastic frame with hardened steel inserts? It seems that your forged steel frame requirement is based on a false assumption.

I'm with the OP on this one. I had an aluminium frame P220 that's was marred up by what appeared to be someone shooting it with a ring on. Wasn't me I don't wear rings. Anectdotal at best, then I read this:

http://www.edbrown.com/kobracarrylw.htm
 
Judgedelta- I have seen those, And I like them. maybe I am being too hard on alloy frame guns, I just want something that will outlast me and give my future children something they can use when I am long gone.
 
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