Almost thought I was in yet another bad situation last night
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I have chosen to to walk this route, which is one of two possible directions, to avoid encountering a more populated neighborhood where I have to deal with dogs running loose, and I also don't want to eat dust from the frequent traffic in that direction. The road is a non maintained dirt road. This is my neighborhood to, and I have a right to enjoy my evening walks and will continue to do so, even if it requires me to be on the constant alert for these morons coming down the road.
I do have a third option, which is to walk on the BLM land. The only problem with that, is there are no trails, so I would be walking up washes, dealing with cholla and other painful hazards, including falling down and getting injured due to the untamed and extremely rough terrain in the dark.
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I do have a third option, which is to walk on the BLM land. The only problem with that, is there are no trails, so I would be walking up washes, dealing with cholla and other painful hazards, including falling down and getting injured due to the untamed and extremely rough terrain in the dark.
GS
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If I had to be on constant alert for "morons" of the kind you have described, the term "enjoy" would not come to mind.
We all have a right to go anywhere on public property. That does not mean that it is always a good idea.
If I had to be on constant alert for "morons" of the kind you have described, the term "enjoy" would not come to mind.
Fully understood. The Red flag I'm seeing is a lack of communication with the neighbors. You are convinced that they are up to no good, and it would seam that they think that you are up to no good. To continue down that road again without establishing contact with these people is literally begging for bad things to happen, when in all it can be completely avoided with a minimal amount of communication.
The idea here is to instead of being prepared to draw and fire when a car comes down the road, be prepared to wave and know the name of the driver. Just write them a letter for a first introduction, and then wave the next time you see them. I don't want to degrade or point fingers, but the way you are handling this may have a lot to do with the amount of encounters you say you have dealt with.
I'm betting there's a Dirt Road Living forum somewhere with someone posting about this guy who keeps creeping around someone's secluded house in the country after hours, then suspiciously hides in the bushes whenever the property owner drives by to see what's going on. 
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This is all starting to sound a bit like Gecko45 has retired from the mall to a 'semi-rural area.'
Sheepdog1968
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Can you give them a call? Maybe if they know you they will stop driving around looking for you.
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Where's the drama in that?
It's becoming pretty clear that a cycle of unproductive actions is being used here to perpetuate and reinforce a particular world view.
One hopes that it doesn't escalate from mild adrenaline rush to tragedy, however.
Elkins45
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Jack Reacher, is that you?
redneck2
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+1 ^. Guarantee it's drugs. And no, they don't wanna be your friend. And no, they don't wanna talk to you.
However, I suspect they'd be willing to kill you. After all, obviously to them you're either a narc or gonna steal their stash. You would be an absolute idiot to approach them.
Every day, and I mean every day, there is a local news story about shootings here in South Bend. And this is a relatively small town. But, drugs are rampant everywhere. And they have zero remorse for shooting you, innocent or not.
And you can be as right as you can be, but it doesn't make you bullet proof.
However, I suspect they'd be willing to kill you. After all, obviously to them you're either a narc or gonna steal their stash. You would be an absolute idiot to approach them.
Every day, and I mean every day, there is a local news story about shootings here in South Bend. And this is a relatively small town. But, drugs are rampant everywhere. And they have zero remorse for shooting you, innocent or not.
And you can be as right as you can be, but it doesn't make you bullet proof.
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Aragon
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Get a treadmill already...
Panzerschwein
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Good reaction.
I'd walk elsewhere though, OP.
I'd walk elsewhere though, OP.
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JRWhit, during the first encounter I attempted to establish communication, but before I could get the first word of "good evening, can I help you?" out of my mouth, the two of them were screaming at the same time, couldn't get a word in edge wise, nor could I understand what they were saying.
What really irritates me, is how some will immediately drag the potential victim across the coals, as if I did something wrong, or was some how asking for trouble, when all I am doing is trying to take in a nice cool evening walk. We, and I emphasize all of us, have the right to enjoy the freedom bestowed upon us as law abiding citizens of the USA. We can not, and I'm sure as heck not going to allow myself to be terrorized and intimidated by evil doer's. I've survived thus far, and I'll be darned if I'm going to allow myself to be held captive within my own home. Again, allow me to reiterate, I have two directions I can walk, one is far more populated, and has dogs running loose, not my first choice. The other is very sparsely populated, with only a couple homes along the mile or so stretch of dirt road, and no dogs thus far to deal with. Or maybe I / we should just hide / cower indoors, and stare out the window wishing I / we could enjoy a nice cool walk in the evenings?
You know why so many innocent people are violently victimized, because they think LE and their cell phone is some how capable of protecting them in those few short seconds, rather than taking the responsibility to defend and protect their selves, and one another. "When seconds count, the police are minutes away" LE is always, and I mean nearly 100% responding to the aftermath of the crime. It is only by rare coincidence they are able to stop or prevent a rape, murder, or kidnapping. This is obviously not a fault of LE, but simply the random and unpredictable nature crime.
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What really irritates me, is how some will immediately drag the potential victim across the coals, as if I did something wrong, or was some how asking for trouble, when all I am doing is trying to take in a nice cool evening walk. We, and I emphasize all of us, have the right to enjoy the freedom bestowed upon us as law abiding citizens of the USA. We can not, and I'm sure as heck not going to allow myself to be terrorized and intimidated by evil doer's. I've survived thus far, and I'll be darned if I'm going to allow myself to be held captive within my own home. Again, allow me to reiterate, I have two directions I can walk, one is far more populated, and has dogs running loose, not my first choice. The other is very sparsely populated, with only a couple homes along the mile or so stretch of dirt road, and no dogs thus far to deal with. Or maybe I / we should just hide / cower indoors, and stare out the window wishing I / we could enjoy a nice cool walk in the evenings?
You know why so many innocent people are violently victimized, because they think LE and their cell phone is some how capable of protecting them in those few short seconds, rather than taking the responsibility to defend and protect their selves, and one another. "When seconds count, the police are minutes away" LE is always, and I mean nearly 100% responding to the aftermath of the crime. It is only by rare coincidence they are able to stop or prevent a rape, murder, or kidnapping. This is obviously not a fault of LE, but simply the random and unpredictable nature crime.
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GS, it sounds like you didn't make it clear enough to the sheriff's office that they're threatening you in the very first encounter you had with them.
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Well now, that's the thing, they never made a verbal or physical threat, which is what the sheriff asked me, and I'm not one to embellish the facts, that would just be wrong.
But to give you some idea of how LE responds around here, last night my Son who live about 1.5 miles down the road from me, had just walked into his home from a fishing trip. As he came in the front door, he heard the back door close, when he investigated, he saw someone jumping over his fence with a very expensive flash light of his in hand. He called the sheriff to report the burglary, and even though he told them he wasn't sure if the house was clear, it still took them almost an hour to show up. They don't give a crap, they show up only to take pictures. They didn't even take the evidence with them, which was the persons jacket, drug paraphernalia, and a cell phone. Ya think they are gonna show up for someone that says a truck drove by them yelling profanity a couple times while they were out walking, nope. We're on our own out here, but it's still better than living in the city.
GS
But to give you some idea of how LE responds around here, last night my Son who live about 1.5 miles down the road from me, had just walked into his home from a fishing trip. As he came in the front door, he heard the back door close, when he investigated, he saw someone jumping over his fence with a very expensive flash light of his in hand. He called the sheriff to report the burglary, and even though he told them he wasn't sure if the house was clear, it still took them almost an hour to show up. They don't give a crap, they show up only to take pictures. They didn't even take the evidence with them, which was the persons jacket, drug paraphernalia, and a cell phone. Ya think they are gonna show up for someone that says a truck drove by them yelling profanity a couple times while they were out walking, nope. We're on our own out here, but it's still better than living in the city.
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As for your Son's incident, he has several possible avenues (not necessarily guaranteed productive) that he can explore:
He can go up the chain of command of the area LE agency (sheriff, etc.) until he gets satisfaction.
If none, climb the chain of local, state, and yes, federal (representative or senator) jurisdiction.
Also, local news agencies ( TV & radio) and newspapers, if applicable.
Lastly, civil action (private lawyer) may take the case, possibly on container.
Considering your own situation :
You have a right to travel public roads.
Also, you seem to have a CCW Permit (or its equivalent). If so use it, and go armed.
But, let me ask you, would you walk into a gulch that is burning with fire ?
Will you jump into a vat of sulfuric acid ?
No !
So please, don't do something as stupid as that, and don't go asking for trouble, when you can avoid it.
I say again, please.
As for your Son's incident, he has several possible avenues (not necessarily guaranteed productive) that he can explore:
He can go up the chain of command of the area LE agency (sheriff, etc.) until he gets satisfaction.
If none, climb the chain of local, state, and yes, federal (representative or senator) jurisdiction.
Also, local news agencies ( TV & radio) and newspapers, if applicable.
Lastly, civil action (private lawyer) may take the case, possibly on container.
Considering your own situation :
You have a right to travel public roads.
Also, you seem to have a CCW Permit (or its equivalent). If so use it, and go armed.
But, let me ask you, would you walk into a gulch that is burning with fire ?
Will you jump into a vat of sulfuric acid ?
No !
So please, don't do something as stupid as that, and don't go asking for trouble, when you can avoid it.
I say again, please.
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The problem with "semi" rural is you have all the disadvantages of both city and country and really none of the advantages. A lot of ppl think that since they are out of town they can act like they own the entire area. With close neighbors you still have the occasional one that is less than ideal. Law enforcement is less likely to have a personal knowledge of you or your neighbors personality at best and at worse do know and are waiting for an incident they can actually use to arrest them.
I'll agree you have a perfect right to use a common road for your walks.Like it or not every right has a price tag on it. We have a private road in a neighboring county, one of our employees was pulled over on it going well over 65. He had a perfect right to do so and my brother would have gone to court with him on the subject. He chose instead to argue with the deputy and ended up having the ticket dismissed but found guilty of resisting law enforcement. We have a perfect right to keep any deer we might harvest in the swampland on our property. Should the resident bobcat claim the carcass that right becomes a bit problematic. In your case I suspect law enforcement wants your neighbors to commit a nice juicy crime so they can preen themselves to the county how they brought in a dangerous felon at great risk to themselves. No doubt they would greatly appreciate your sacrifice to that endeavor but they won't offer to help pay your hospital bill or your funeral expenses.
I'll agree you have a perfect right to use a common road for your walks.Like it or not every right has a price tag on it. We have a private road in a neighboring county, one of our employees was pulled over on it going well over 65. He had a perfect right to do so and my brother would have gone to court with him on the subject. He chose instead to argue with the deputy and ended up having the ticket dismissed but found guilty of resisting law enforcement. We have a perfect right to keep any deer we might harvest in the swampland on our property. Should the resident bobcat claim the carcass that right becomes a bit problematic. In your case I suspect law enforcement wants your neighbors to commit a nice juicy crime so they can preen themselves to the county how they brought in a dangerous felon at great risk to themselves. No doubt they would greatly appreciate your sacrifice to that endeavor but they won't offer to help pay your hospital bill or your funeral expenses.
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Well, now, isn't that just the thing?
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"Victim playing" is a form of attention seeking behavior and I am wondering if this thread is about nothing more than that.
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Thank you to those who actually had something useful to share, you've provided me with some things to consider.
As for those who have been anything but helpful and productive, you have the right to express your worthless useless comments, it's your forum too.
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As for those who have been anything but helpful and productive, you have the right to express your worthless useless comments, it's your forum too.
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