US lawyer held over Madrid bombs

Fingerprints on the bag o' bombs is pretty hard to explain away...

Fingerprints on the bag o' bombs is pretty hard to explain away...

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He'd need a good lawyer to do it...

Pretty easy to imagine how he could have handled a bag while doing legal work for someone, but he'll have a chance to explain, or at least I hope he'll have a chance. Maybe they'll just lock him away under Patriot Act for the next 100 years.

He has a beard, he's guilty....

Another Okie,

I would love to hear you come up with a rational explanation of how a family law attorney came into contact with a bag of detonators while representing a suspected terrorist against his ex-wife in a custody battle, in Portland Oregon, and the bag just somehow managed to make it all the way over to Madrid Spain, and was found in the terrorist's van, with detonators inside, right after the bombing.

Yup.....Sounds innocent to me.

I.G.B.

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Also, they don't have any connection between the Madrid bombings and Mayfield's client. His client pled guilty to trying to help the Taliban in Afghanistan. Still a terrorist, but one that was involved in a completly different part of the world, and was unsuccessfull there.

I.G.B.

That one lends new meaning to the term "assault lawyer."

another okie said:

Maybe they'll just lock him away under Patriot Act for the next 100 years.

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Can you please cite the text of the PATRIOT Act which would allow that?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119282,00.html
FoxNews reported last night that as a "Material Witness" the US Gov't can hold Mayfield indefinitely and not charge him with any crimes, just for questioning purposes.

He was arrested Thursday on a material witness warrant and has not been charged with any crime, according to the senior officials in Washington. A material witness warrant allows the government to hold people suspected of having direct knowledge about a crime or to allow time for further investigation.

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This should prove to be another interesting situation combining American Legal System (or lack thereof) with the War on Terror.

Assuming it true that 'his' fingerprints are those found on a plastic bag holding detonators in Madrid, "I'd" sure want to know how "my" prints got on that bag, or how "those" detonators got in "that" bag with my prints halfway around the world and I'd probably be singing like a caged canary if I were in fact guilt free... but to clam up... maybe something about attorney/client privacy privleges or Fifth Amendment rights...?

In the immortal words of Ricky Ricardo, "LUCY, You got some 'splaining to do!" Someone does.

This conspiracy theory that everyone unhappy with the current administration is being targeted belongs in a hollywood movie.


You lay with flea ridden dogs, your bound to pick some up.

This guy will be innocent until proven guilty.

And I understand the concerns some immediately expressed over the Patriot Act.

But isn't anyone else troubled by the fact that this guy is a native-born US Citizen who could probably pass any background or profiling check of any kind, and his fingerprints are literally ON equipment used in the Madrid train bombings?????

If you search my posts, you'll find a link to an English newspaper article titled "Terror on the Dole."

It's about Muslims born and raised in the UK who are burning for jihad in London. They are praying to Allah for a nuclear or chemical or biological strike on London to kill hundreds of thousands.

They are English-born, speak the language, live in and know the culture. They would be impossible to detect and stop. And under England's legal system, even after voicing their goals and wishes in public, there is nothing that can be legally done against them.

This guy is a lawyer, and based on his appearance in the photo, no one would ever look at him and wonder whether or not he's an Islamic terrorist.

How long will it take for the reality to sink in that we are in a cultural and religious war that has the potential for destruction unimagined in history?

All it takes is for one militant to get one cannister of a chemical weapon, or one small nuke, or one good container of a virulent biological agent across our porous borders.

They've already killed more Americans in one strike than were killed in the attack on Pearl Harbor. And all they needed to do it was a few box cutters.

How long will it take for us to figure out that the stakes are quite literally either the survival of western style democracies or militant Islam. At then end of this war, one will be left bloodied but standing and the other will be effectively broken and shattered.

Who's your money on?

Everywhere I look I see newspaper articles in which militant Islamists tell us by their words and their actions that their goal is our complete destruction.

But everywhere I look I see Americans who seem completely oblivious to the fact that we are even at war, much less involved in a war for our survival.

hillbilly

But isn't anyone else troubled by the fact that this guy is a native-born US Citizen who could probably pass any background or profiling check of any kind, and his fingerprints are literally ON equipment used in the Madrid train bombings?????

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Yes

I have no truck with those that say that attacking Iraq was not part of the WOT, its a valid opinion.

I am worried, though, that there are some who don't believe the is or should be a War on terror.

Like hillbilly said, this guy probably has a background clean as a whistle.
What to we do to combat people like this in our very midst?

What to we do to combat people like this in our very midst?

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Unfortuately, there's not really a whole lot you can do, unless you are lucky enough to catch them in the act of placing a bomb or other violent act, or they are stupid enough to say things like "I don't want to learn how to take off or land, just fly the airplane."

Commercial passenger aircraft are not safer because of taking nail clippers and knitting needles away from little old ladies-they are safer due to the vigilance of the passengers. I think the same vigilance in our daily lives does far more than what the government can do-after all, we be amongst em!

"Muslim-convert Brandon Mayfield"

Another peaceful muslim with ties of some sort to a heinous act of terrorism. All he really wants is to bring the love and grace of Allah to the infidels.

"How long will it take for us to figure out that the stakes are quite literally either the survival of western style democracies or militant Islam. At then end of this war, one will be left bloodied but standing and the other will be effectively broken and shattered." (Quote from hillbilly)
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I love this board! It is so refreshing to read people that see reality for what it is....real....
hillbilly has this absolutly correct. anyone who wants to dissent is free to do so.(thanks to our great country) but..at the end of the day, "one will be left standing".
Excellent post.

Hillbilly, you are right.

And I'm betting, in the end, on us.

We are headed toward national convulsion. Unavoidable.

How long will it take for the reality to sink in that we are in a cultural and religious war that has the potential for destruction unimagined in history?

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We are so anxious to be pc that we forget much of the world would delight
in seeing America go down, my thought is will we wake up in time.

Our PC desensitization is already occurring. Get the popcorn and pull up a chair.

One good thing about a Muslim take-over.

Hillbilly is on the money. This is a religious war we are in. Make no mistake about it. The gov't doesn't want to say so. Probably it shouldn't say so. But, we the people, should KNOW so.

But, if we lose and Islam takes over, the bright side is that all this silly arse women's lib nonsense will come to a screeching halt and the feminazis will be quiet and out of sight.

I wonder why this guy Mayfield converted? Women's lib?? Feminazis??

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The real question for each of us to ask ourselves (male posters only) is how good do we look in a beard and burnoose and do we all really want to be Bedouin warriors with waving scimitars and flashing white teeth?

Yeehawwwww!

I wonder why this guy Mayfield converted?

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Because at his core, he's a self-loathing leftist. It has nothing to do with any "religious" conviction. Islam is just the next mutation of this virulent strain because of its potential for destruction.

What is intersting is that essentially ZERO U.S. citizens who were raised as Muslims have been involved in high-profile terrorist attacks. On the other hand, lots of American-born converts have been directly involved in or implicated in terrorist attacks... and there are alot fewer of the latter than the former. So the rate of nuttiness is much higher in the converts than the immigrants/2nd+ generation Muslims. Millions of people immigrated to the U.S. and brought Islam with them, and they aren't blowing stuff up, but Buffy and Chad who were raised by unreconstructed hippies and convert to Islam are turning out to be quite the nutjobs.

Of course, foreign Muslims want to blow us up by the millions, but that is a different story.

Assan Akbar (original name: Mark Fidel Kools), soldier in the 101st who attacked a bunch of other soldiers with grenades in Iraq. Killed 1 and injured 15. Apparently converted to Islam in California.

John Allen Mohommed (original name: John Allen Williams), ex-soldier and convert to Islam who was the DC "sniper." Found guilty & sentenced to death.

Captain James Yee, converted to Islam in Syria, accused of Espionage, looks like JAG botched their case and went for some lesser included offences instead, then gave up. Oddly enough, was big into adultery and downloading internet porn using government computer networks.

Add Ryan G. Anderson (aka Amir Talhah), currently serving soldier and recent convert to Islam who apparently tried to sell secrets to Al-Qaeda.

Now add Brandon Mayfield, whose fingerprints were allegedly found on a bag used to carry the Madrid bombing's bombs around.

EDITED TO ADD: John Walker Lindh, "The American Taliban, "a/k/a "Suleyman al-Faris," a/k/a "Abdul Hamid"

Don't forget John Walker Lindh, the American Taliban.