pink pistols (activist group)

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Read me a vice articlr on a group of gay and pro gay gun activists called the pink pistols. Anyone know of these guys or possibly a member ? Apparently its other gay activiststhat show them the most hate, not gun owners. Lots of personal stories by members about how their gun saved them from a belligerent homophobe.

Kinda makes me wonder why more gays aren't pro 2nd amendment. If they are in danger of violent attacks a gay with a gun seems more a force to be reckoned than one without a gun.

Put yourself in the mindset of someone attacking someone solely on the fact that they are gay, maybe you got a pipe or a Louisville slugger , who are you gonna choose as your victim, the gay dude in a jacked up pick up with a shotgun in hand, or the smaller more effeminate gay guy who is unarmed.....
 
the only way to vote pro 2nd amendment is to, usually, vote republican. that's support. very few Democrats are pro 2nd amendment, and the congressional record shows this clearly. republican politicans also in general are the ones who are anti-gay marriage, anti-gay adoption, etc. this is, in a nutshell, why more gays arent pro 2nd amendment. the 2nd amendment is, for better or for worse, associated with republicans as of 2015.
 
I see your point but your message delivery is wrong, poorly worded would probably be more correct. To identify a person simply as "a gay" seems to latch onto the negative connotation, but yes it does seem that those folks who live alternative lifestyles such as being homosexual would be more likely to come under attack, especially so if they go out of their way to flaunt their lifestyle, so it would make sense logically that due to the increased risk factor that more of them would be packing some type of weapon. I went to dinner recently in Nashville at a nicer restraunt and a few tables away was a couple of young men who were obviously a couple. They were nearly making out at the table in fact, and the reaction from the rest of the patrons of the establishment was much less than receptive to put it very nicely. There were several derogatory comments made loud enough that the young men must have heard them, and I was proud that I had a weapon on me that night because I felt like I might need it to get out of there for the brawl that was sure to come sooner rather than later.
 
Teapot you chimed in whole I was pulling words together, and you are absolutely right. This isn't the place to discuss one of those topics, but it certainly is the right place for the other. It's a shame that we are forced to select and support a collection of opinions in a candidate, especially when the topics are so vastly different. It would be very nice to have more control over the direction of the nation than to get a shot at putting a new person in the drivers seat every few years. Maybe then people who make one choice wouldn't be by default making another. I feel certain that there are a generous portion of folks who would support both the rights for homosexuals, Transgender, etc that would also support the 2A, and likewise people who would oppose both.
 
Didn't mean to cause any offense just didn't know what PC word to use, I live in an area that has numerous gay bars that have been the victims of crimes committed because of the fact they are gay. Also I was thinking temporarily in the mindset of the hypothetical criminal who would identify someone as gay for any number of reasons that may not be true or fair to sensible law abiding citizens.

If it is because of the Democrats being pro gay and the republicans being anti gay why not instead they votr for a pro gay pro gun llibertarian or independent ? Both are snakes in my opinion wanting to take away different rights of different people...

Let us not forget that with the TPP or whatever you call it both Democrats and republicans profited
 
I was unsure whether to post this or not since it is related to the 2nd amendment although it also is related to other non 2nd amendment topics. I hope it isnt removed though, I would think we would want to discuss any type of gun owner and how certain laws may effecr their 2nd amendmentrights or how the 2nd amendment can be useful to them
 
People are collections of beliefs, convictions and preferences. The stereotype in the last paragraph of your initial post illustrates this.

In full disclosure of the topic, I'm straight but have several friends who aren't. They vary widely in political views and 2A opinions. One of them is the polar opposite of your unintentional stereotype.

I say this only to further the point that given the only two choices we currently have in our political system, people choose the one that aligns most closely with the majority of their opinions, often sacrificing one item to gain support in several other areas. We all do it, republican, conservative, every flavor of voter.

So while a person may hold a general sense of agreement with a topic (2A for example), they may be willing to discard support for that issue in favor of a political party or candidate that offers support for an issue they deem more important or under more credible threat from the other party or politician.

But anyway, I've heard of The Pink Pistols. They seem do do good work, often "under the radar" as they do seem to fly in the face of public perception.
 
They submitted a very nice amicus brief in the Peruta case, see http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2015/05/05/10-56971 Amicus 4-28 Pink.pdf. I was surprised to see such a thing but after reading it it made perfect sense, I think they are a great ally to have especially now when the whole Dem party seems to have joined the rainbow bandwagon, i.e. rather than wonder why more gays don't support the 2A I think this group can be a great catalyst for at least less opposition from the general public in blue states.

The introduction states
"Pink Pistols is a nationwide shooting society formed by lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and heterosexual shooting enthusiasts. Pink Pistols honors gender identity and sexual diversity and advocates the responsible use of firearms for selfdefense.
It has chapters throughout the United States, the largest of which are in California. "


The first section is titled "The Supreme Court has stressed the importance of the second amendment right to minority groups disproportionately subject to armed criminal violence."

Among other points, it reports that in California "27.9% of hate crimes are driven by the assailants’ loathing of the victim’s sexual orientation or gender identity."

Then it goes on to say:
"These grim figures make it easy to understand why the legal philosophy of Amicus Pink Pistols is that, “[w]ithout self-defense, there are no gay rights.”"
 
This isn't an easy topic to discuss because people's personal feelings about others color their impressions and opinions, but I hope we can stay focused on the 2A topic here and not stray.

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

The Pink Pistols group has at one time or another been very active and vocal in the defense of the 2A. They make it more difficult for Antis to present the caricature of 2A advocates as only a bunch of ignorant white redneck pickup truck driving bigots. It is very powerful for us to be able to cite our LGBT friends and Pink Pistols as supporting the right to keep and bear arms and it makes if very difficult for the undecideds and mild Antis to deny that gays and lesbians should have their right to own and carry guns guaranteed in full and therefore all of us to have that right guaranteed.

Most of us know LGBT folks, whether we know it or not (or want to admit it). I live in East Tennessee and I know plenty that others would not even recognize as such. Almost all of us have heard horror stories about LGBT members of our country being physically assaulted and murdered just because they were LGBT. I was present at the assault of a smaller gay traveler by a much larger drunk redneck at DFW airport this year. A couple of guys tried to diffuse the situation but the jerk would not be deterred and finally charged and took a swing at the victim. That triggered 3 other men tackling the thug and a total of half a dozen piling on and pinning him down. He hit the floor pretty hard. Fortunately the DFW police had been called as things escalated and an officer ran up and cuffed the attacker as the passengers got him subdued. There was a clear disparity of size and the intent of the larger attacker was to hurt to victim and every indication that he might beat the smaller man to a pulp. That's exactly the situation where the right and ability to defend yourself is clearly needed.

As I said, I have lesbian and gay buddies and they all just want to live their lives like the rest of us. Very few people would look at them or talk to them and know think they were any different than their own friends and family, but people who fear and hate will always look for victims to fear and hate in spite of the fact that they don't know someone. I've offered to teach every one of them defensive shooting and encouraged them to join the martial arts classes I took and half of the ones that already didn't know how have taken me up on it. I've pointed all of them to the Pink Pistols organization and THR and asked them to support the 2A as actively as they were comfortable and some of them have been very effective in breaking stereotypes about 2A supporters in the LGBT community and gay and lesbian members of our community in the 2A groups.
 
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Back in the early days of The High Road we had more than a couple members here that belonged to chapters of The Pink Pistols. It is a small group and, based on their website, they seem to have lost some active chapters. Too bad, personal protection is for everyone...
 
the only way to vote pro 2nd amendment is to, usually, vote republican. that's support. very few Democrats are pro 2nd amendment, and the congressional record shows this clearly. republican politicans also in general are the ones who are anti-gay marriage, anti-gay adoption, etc. this is, in a nutshell, why more gays arent pro 2nd amendment. the 2nd amendment is, for better or for worse, associated with republicans as of 2015.
Yes it is true and unfortunately this crap has to change because because the right to keep and bear arms a major pillar in the structure of checks and balances (the people included) which is the framework of our entire constitution that has been fought so hard for and protects our precious freedom.

The constitution is very very well thought out and not to be taken for granted.

It is not meant to serve lazy political flukeys whatever the party who steal our money, shovel bs into the ears of whoever is foolish enought to belive them, and have no spine as far as leadership is concerned.

Oh and any religion that tells their congregation who to vote for needs to start paying taxes just like any other political party and get of the free gravy train.

The point is whoever you are, if you value your freedom you are best to know allowing yourself and your neighbors to be disarmed is a very stupid idea (sorry that's just the best way to put it.)
 
I've looked in on Pink Pistols now and again over the past few years since first hearing about them, and my conclusion had been that they were effectively defunct - if that is not in fact the case, I'm very happy to hear it!
 
Sadly, some of the firearms forums I visit spew homophobic insults whenever the LGBT topic comes up. I've seen this even on some of the more mainstream forums. Horrid, crude insults of a type who's like is not visited upon any other minority group.
What must a gay think when they go to the forum for "brand X" looking for info, and stumble into base stupidity and hate?
 
They would think the Antis are right about us.

Of course here those haters would have to find another place to post if they violated our code of conduct that way.
 
A shame, but likely a result of a logical disconnect.
Minorities such as homosexuals, Jews, and blacks, (not to mention the majority female bloc) have high crime victimization rates.
They also tend to vote Left Liberal/Democrat which has them politically supporting restrictive gun control.
 
"Sadly, some of the firearms forums I visit spew homophobic insults whenever the LGBT topic comes up. I've seen this even on some of the more mainstream forums. Horrid, crude insults of a type who's like is not visited upon any other minority group."
Oh, puh-lease. No more 'vile' than half the stuff said about gun owners in general these days, let alone various and assorted other minority/grievance/interest groups. Our side says some pretty gnarly stuff about anti's and liberals, too. Such is the internet unfiltered; deal with it, and try your best not to contribute to the venom. The only reason it may be more frequently directed towards one group is when the topic is relevant to them (i.e. the gay marriage case). And a moment's praise to the Mod staff here for not tolerating that baloney, making THR a veritable refuge in the storm of derp that is the internet. <maybe I'm paranoid, but bot technology is sufficiently advanced to easily perpetrate the majority of trolling/angry speech I see posted everywhere. it would not surprise me if bots are widely employed --by both sides, but especially by the one inhabiting Silicon Valley-- to bring ridicule down upon themselves and negatively frame the view they ostensibly support. much easier than programming bots to make erudite arguments>

Anyone else find it comical at this point how constant the refrain "I wish the Republicans would ditch the social issues set" has become online? It seems like practically everyone is desperate for them to ditch these divisive issues, or at the very least put them on the back burner for...ever. You'd think the Libertarian party would be drawing 30%-60% of the electorate by now, the way you hear people describe their political views. My sincere hope is that gay marriage is the beginning of a realignment of political priorities, and we get back to a more Federalist/Anti-Federalist party structure, even when the latter winds up a minority. The status quo is too fluid and duplicitous to do anything useful for us.

Last I heard, the Pink Pistols had numerous branches scattered about the country. But sadly, the fact that hotbeds of gay culture tend to be urban means they are uniformly liberal (after some point, yes, a minority is insignificant) and at present hostile to the Party of Guns (R). Going back to my realignment prediction, my hope is that the marriage decision settles the governance issues for gays enough that other issues they care about --like guns-- will override their previous party affiliation, and they will begin defecting to Republicans provided the platform issues are compatible. I had previously figured a reversal on marijuana policy would be the trigger (Rand is trying), but this could work, too, if the vocal/organizational effectiveness of the gay community is maintained in the transition.

"Minorities such as homosexuals, Jews, and blacks, (not to mention the majority female bloc) have high crime victimization rates.
They also tend to vote Left Liberal/Democrat which has them politically supporting restrictive gun control."
A group in trouble (real or imagined) is always looking for relief, which makes them vulnerable to shysters. A promise of a fix always outweighs a helping hand, let alone merely holding the door open for someone. Gun rights doesn't purport to do anything for anyone. Maybe if we actually did what we are always accused of --giving guns away-- we'd find more support among the poor, lazy, or inept out there, but alas we merely inform them of what they are missing and try to convince them their current benefactors are the cause of much of their current problems. Tough sell.

TCB
 
A shame, but likely a result of a logical disconnect.
Minorities such as homosexuals, Jews, and blacks, (not to mention the majority female bloc) have high crime victimization rates.
They also tend to vote Left Liberal/Democrat which has them politically supporting restrictive gun control.
I don't think you can paint an entire group with the same brush. In Detroit all the recent stories about legal concealed carriers defeating criminals have featured black carriers -- two of the women were quite amazing, one drove off FIVE armed intruders from her home, the other (a grandmother!) engaged in a gunfight with two attackers and successfully shot one of them in both legs, despite taking four shots herself, one in her support arm... then she even had the presence of mind to apply pressure to her wounds while awaiting the paramedics. I recently saw a video from a group headed by a black woman named Star Parker, which reported that about 30% of blacks are conservative Evangelical Christians. Similarly, among Jews, the orthodox vote almost uniformly Republican and in areas where concealed carry is legal many are training and arming themselves to protect their synagogues and communities, notably in Miami after last August's murder of a visiting rabbi shot by two assailants while walking to services on a Sabbath morning.
 
I read a lot of assumptions and prejudice in this thread and the people posting it are probably not aware of it.

The assumption is that we know anything reliable about the overall opinion of the LGBT community opinion on the 2A or that we know anything reliable about individual LGBT people at all. That assumption is based on nothing since the one and only source of information on LGBT attitudes about the 2A are the ... Pink Pistols, a pro 2A group. Yet many here are assuming that in the absence of any other information that LGBT individuals are predominantly Anti? That's illogical.

Many here assume that the LGBT community must be predominantly Anti because the political party that doesn't profess to oppose their equal treatment under the law draws their support and the one that opposes their equal treatment under the law turns them away. The logical leap that the LGBT community supports all policies of the party that doesn't oppose their equal treatment under the law is just too far to make. The Log Cabin Republicans are an LGBT group of conservatives within the GOP and they argue that they share the beliefs in the majority of the GOP positions except those that intrude upon personal liberty. Sounds remarkably like our position. Yet some of us assume that because we make that association between gays and lesbiabs and the Democratic Party it must be true even though we have no numbers to back it up and ignore the Log Cabin Republicans.

Our prejudices are more at play here than the known facts.

We claim that our first priority is the preservation and restoration of the 2A, yet while the LBGT community could be of great benefit to the 2A movement we insist that other social and political issues they are struggling with are more important to exclude them than being inclusive and welcoming a powerful ally.
 
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Social classes of people are not monolithic. Political parties are, at least the members who are in office are. The Log Cabin Republicans and the Tea Party are not well regarded by the Country Club Republicans who want every party hack to have his turn to lose the presidency.
If you support the political party that approves of your sex practices, you must accept what they think about means of self defense from those who do not approve of your sex practices.
 
irrelevant now. no political party can "outlaw" gay marriage, but one can and tries a heck of a lot to outlaw gun rights. seems a simple choice for gays on election day.
 
irrelevant now.

No, it isn't. The legacy of unfair treatment under the law and the ongoing efforts in individual states to continue it and it being associated with the GOP in those states pushes this and other allies away from us. It will take years for that to change. If the Democratic Party dropped the Anti plank how long would it take for us to forgive and forget?
 
Our prejudices are more at play here than the known facts.

We claim that our first priority is the preservation and restoration of the 2A, yet while the LBGT community could be of great benefit to the 2A movement we insist that other social and political issues they are struggling with are more important to exclude them than being inclusive and welcoming a powerful ally.

The legacy of unfair treatment under the law and the ongoing efforts in individual states to continue it and it being associated with the GOP in those states pushes this and other allies away from us. It will take years for that to change. If the Democratic Party dropped the Anti plank how long would it take for us to forgive and forget?

Good thread, and some good comments. It took me a long time to start getting over the party ideas and realize I didnt have to follow every idea that the party had about all things. It occured to me somewhere along the line that the discussion about "I dont LIKE it, so there should be a LAW" applied to many things, like guns, who people choose to hang out with or be involved with, what religion they are, among other things. I may not like certain things, others I simply dont really care what others do, but trying to mandate what others can do because I dont agree with it isnt about freedom. The individual responsibilty thing works in many directions. Its too bad many cant see beyond their own biases or blind following of a party ideals, on either side and realize that we have much in common with many orther people. We should be working together for common goals and common principals, rather than being so fragmented. We'd be way ahread of the game if we worked with people to reinforce the freedoms we feel are important, rather than condemning them because we dont like some aspect of their life. Its NOT about "individual freedom" if we only will support our ideas about what that means, then deprive others of their freedoms.
 
If the Democratic Party dropped the Anti plank how long would it take for us to forgive and forget?

well, they (DNC) would have to drop the plank on many things that directly affect me and other tax payers, like increasing welfare by taxing workers, employers and products more, stop using race as a determining factor for anything..... just to name a few.

the GOP other than having fringe members standing in the way of gay marriage (which they can no longer do), they support lower taxes, secure borders, and like they've done for generations, not using race as a deciding factor for college entry and such other things.... did I mention supporting the right to self defense?
 
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