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    Anyone Read The Gun Wire?

    Too bad about thegunwire, the had a lot of good information Too bad no one has more details. They had a lot of ads running. Hard to believe they could not make money. Sad to see it go.
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    A little sympathy for New Yorkers: John Stossel tries to get a carry permit in NYC

    The way to treat scofflaw places like NYC is national CCW Reciprocity The votes are there to do it. With some type of concealed carry in all 50 states, It is the Senate and the President that are obstructing it. Make it legal for anyone that can legally carry in their own state to carry in...
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    Comment Now on Proposed Additional Regulations on Gun Mufflers and Short Barreled Rif

    They just wanted more power I think some people have found some vague references to poaching at about that time period. I think it is much more general than that. The "Progressives" wanted a lot more government power. FDR was reaching for as much as he could grab. Suppressors or...
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    Comment Now on Proposed Additional Regulations on Gun Mufflers and Short Barreled Rif

    The current rules were adopted in 1934, and never made much sense for short barrelled rifles and shotguns, or gun mufflers. Now they are completely obsolete and should be junked for those items.
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    Comment Now on Proposed Additional Regulations on Gun Mufflers and Short Barreled Rif

    The Firearms Coalition has provided an alert about the proposed BATFE Obama administration rules. The proposed rules make the application for trusts and companies to obtain federal tax stamps for gun mufflers (silencers, suppressors), short barreled rifles and shotguns, full-auto guns and a few...
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    Live WebCam of Alamo Open Carry Today ( ongoing for next hour)

    The Web cam at the link shows the open carry event going on now. There is a pretty good crowd, but my browser is only showing an image about every half a second, I would say. Here is the link: Alamo Open Carry Live Web Cam Link I can hear some noise in the background, but I cannot...
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    Then we will simply disagree. Inference from a subset of data is a common and well understood practice. Data is commonly incomplete. If only 14 rain events have been reported in one place for four years, and 52 in another, it is a good indication that one place has three times as many...
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    Frank Ettin posted: That is a mischaracterization. A thread title is not a conclusion. The conclusion was clearly stated in the final paragraph, which you quoted part of:
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    The type of statistical tests that have been asked for, significance and effect size analysis, do not seem appropriate to the subject. The article is not a statistical experiment that is attempting to determine cause and effect with a control group. No cause or effect has been postulated. It...
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    So was Bomia included? The article refers to him as a former police officer. If you included him, how did you determine that he was a police officer at the time of the incident? Bomia is included. YouTube video of news report showing that Mark Bomia was an officer at the time of the killing...
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    Frank Ettin: Sorry that you are having a hard time reading the information at the data link. It was the first link shown in the list of links at the bottom of the article. It clearly states that only incidents that involve individuals who were sworn officers with arrest powers at the time it...
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    Here is the link to the data, for those of you who missed it in the original article: http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/10/links-to-2011-domestic-homicides-by.html
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    Old Dog, Frank Ettin: Did you read the data link that show a link to each incident used as data and describes the selection basis for incidents? It does not appear that you did.
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    Double Naught Spy: Please explain how I can cherry pick domestic homicide cases. I can see how cherry picking might lower the number of cases, but I do not see how it could raise them.
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    So how are the data biased, if the individual cases are as stated in the news articles? Yes, the source web sites are certainly biased, but that doesn't mean they cannot collect data that is valid. If just means that you have to look at the data to remove those cases that have been...
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    Frank Etten: Why do you say the data is bad? The population figures for the police are from the UCR, which you accept as a source. The number of domestic homicides committed by sworn officers over the four years are all individually documented. You can look at them for yourself. So where is...
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    As noted by Double Nought Spy, both sources are highly motivated to come up with cases. I believe that the data shows minimum rates for both populations. It might be shown that some of the cases are false for either side. One might show that a case did not involve a CCW permit holder, or...
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    The domestic homicides put a minimum on the number for sworn police officers. The total unjustified homicides can go up from there for the 2008 - 2011, but it is very hard to see how they can go down. You might argue a case or two out of the 52 victims documented, but it would not change the...
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    I suspect most police are reasonably dedicated, and do not routinely lie or falsify their reports. With more cameras and recording devices out there, and the seventh circuit ruling that people have a right to record police in the performanc of their public duties, police misconduct is likely on...
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    Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Off

    There were no overlap cases. None of the Florida CCW unjustified domestic homicides were committed by a sworn police officer, as far as I could tell from the news stories.
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