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I see this kind of mentality used to justify disregarding a wide range of laws. I'm guilty of it myself by twisting the throttle of my bike a bit too much on occasion. But if I get caught, I'll pay the fine. I won't consider it an unjust law because I can ride more proficiently than the lowest...

Good way to sum it up and unfortunately an all too common scenario these days.

I think it's poor timing anytime. I wouldn't want someone coming up to me quizzing me about my sidearm if they noticed I was packing. And cops have the misfortune of having a lot of enemies out there that they don't even know. Put yourself in their shoes.

I don't think it's semantics, controlling means controlling. In this case we are talking about guns, I didn't mean to imply anything more by my comments. If a parent wants to feel safe and not let their child have a BB gun, for example, they are controlling the child, even if they are...

If only they could get a stool pigeon to rat out the rest of the flock they could avert any potential air disaster.

How exactly does that work in reality? You want to control people but don't really want control? That makes no sense. I would argue that those that hold that view haven't given it sufficient thought.

My guess is that she was giving you the brush off. How would someone know the model name of a pistol if it never came up? Chances are the department picked them out, I would assume those making the decision looked at the various models but didn't see fit to pass on irrelevant information...

It seems that any time you read about a drug raid on a forum you get cries for drug legalization with them citing that the war is lost and a joke. Says who? Why do you who say so assume it's a given? I personally think some drug laws are out of perspective but I don't want legalization across...

If you use 20 pages to keep bringing up obvious issues that doesn't make them any less obvious. You can't remove someone's liberty by imposing your will onto them without wanting control over them no matter how hard you try to spin it. Don't blame others for your unwillingness to accept it. Like...

Like I said, that's obvious. Whooosh. Probably most here have heard their arguments before. I suspect you are trying to reconcile your view with that of your girl friends. I don't think you can and may have to agree to disagree for now. How do you compromise with someone that wants your gun(s)...

You keep bringing up the obvious differences as if it was the real issue. Pro gun folks want to rely on their own abilities, antis think they can achieve safety by relying on the government. Safety via the government is an illusion. It's a fantasy. Where they safe at Virginia State? It was a...

Using a dove is a good idea but maybe one in flight would make it more dramatic.

Liberty is not a method. Methods might be used to gain liberty or restrict it. That's what this discussion amounts to. We may all want safety but at what price? You mean this one? "Those who would sacrifice Liberty for Safety, deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin Apparently ole Ben...

The reason it's not the same motivation, i.e. control, is that is that it is not pro gun rights people seeking to impose their will onto others. They want to be left alone to enjoy the freedoms a free people should have. We don't want to arm anyone not interested. They should have the freedom to...

I thought it was all spelled out pretty well. We have enjoyed those rights for over two hundred years unless a state has imposed its' will on them. You can't blame the founders for state legislators going above and beyond the call of duty.

That's a distinction without a difference. The way you control others on a national level is by seeking control via the government. It absolutely is seeking control for control's sake. It means that you want your will imposed onto others against their will. Our founders wanted as little...

I think that's good evidence of what too much wrong TV watching can do to the impressionable mind.

Not to pick on your girlfriend but she probably is fairly typical of antis. I believe she, like most liberals, haven't thought through the argument to it's natural conclusion. Poverty was much worse in the past, to the point we have to redefine what the word means. The depression era had almost...

Driving isn't a right, it's a privilege of the state. You need to prove to the state that you knows traffic laws and that you can operate a vehicle accordingly. And you have to renew the license to do so. In other words, you need their permission. The ACLU are being dishonest and unethical...

It's amazing what passes for humor these days.