Zak Smith
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The bolt rifle on the far end is an AI-AWM.
There was recently a thread about this guy causing trouble over on snipershide.
There was recently a thread about this guy causing trouble over on snipershide.
20yr old planning attack w/ ammo "meant to take down aircraft/military machines"
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Tropical Buzz
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Posted by Hambun in the thread about the anniversary of Virginia Tech. He is referring to the incident and its perpetrator:
In retrospect that's quite cryptic considering his threats, feelings of "isolation" and his admission that it felt good to have thousands of people paying attention to him on the internet. People often lament that the perpetrators of random acts of mass violence often kill themselves before they can be apprehended and interrogated to find the "trigger" or loose screw that allows a person to commit such an act. Here, possibly (and I think it's a strong possibility), is a timely intervention with an individual who may well have been heading down that road. While many choose to rant about the media sensationalism and the possible ramifications re: public perceptions about private gun collectors, I believe that the bigger issue revolves around the young man with a "victim complex" demonstrating the mindset, the intent and the means to commit a serious act of violence against the people and the society that he seems to irrationally blame for his self-defined condition.
In retrospect that's quite cryptic considering his threats, feelings of "isolation" and his admission that it felt good to have thousands of people paying attention to him on the internet. People often lament that the perpetrators of random acts of mass violence often kill themselves before they can be apprehended and interrogated to find the "trigger" or loose screw that allows a person to commit such an act. Here, possibly (and I think it's a strong possibility), is a timely intervention with an individual who may well have been heading down that road. While many choose to rant about the media sensationalism and the possible ramifications re: public perceptions about private gun collectors, I believe that the bigger issue revolves around the young man with a "victim complex" demonstrating the mindset, the intent and the means to commit a serious act of violence against the people and the society that he seems to irrationally blame for his self-defined condition.
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if he had said that but had no guns when raided the ACLU would have helped him protect his free speech rights !!!
next time the article should start off with
"A mentally disturbed individual ....
at least this way they would really be talking about the "Weapon"
the Oklahoma bombing was horrible
yet we dont hear the news ever say and they had enough fertilizer in the house to take down a building !
he had enough dixie cups and kool-aid so we know he was up to something !
next time the article should start off with
"A mentally disturbed individual ....
at least this way they would really be talking about the "Weapon"
the Oklahoma bombing was horrible
yet we dont hear the news ever say and they had enough fertilizer in the house to take down a building !
he had enough dixie cups and kool-aid so we know he was up to something !
the story for CBS news said that the guy contacted the local police about that gun sale gone south (the same one I assume he posted here). Then the Homestead/local police contacted police in Oregon for some reason (something having to do with that being where he went to high school).... and the police in Oregon then showed the Homestead police a post online.
2 questions:
1) How did the Oregon police know it was him?
2) Why did they not pursue this when they became aware of it?
and for that matter 3) Are police keeping logs of stuff that people say online and keeping them handy?
and seriously.... how can the local PD get away with making a claim that he had enough ammo to take down an airliner and/or heavy military machinery? Why does slander not apply to them? While I'm not saying this guy didn't do anything wrong - I'm noticing that nobody really seems to give a damn what he said online. The story the media is running with is "He had enough ammo to take down an airliner." (I've been hearing it all day on the airwaves) and photos of his collection. He's being tried by the media for what he owned, not what he did.
Regardless of what he did (and I fully agree that his comment was bizarre and frightening), this whole media circus about what he owned could easily happen to any one of us.
It seems like the rules with the media and some PDs are:
You buy A gun and you are a gun owner (you've crossed over to the dark side)
You own more than one gun and you have a collection (you're evil)
You own several guns and a decent amount of ammo and you have an arsenal (you're evil, dangerous, likely insane, and in need of SWAT taking you out ASAP).
and that's messed up IMO.
2 questions:
1) How did the Oregon police know it was him?
2) Why did they not pursue this when they became aware of it?
and for that matter 3) Are police keeping logs of stuff that people say online and keeping them handy?
and seriously.... how can the local PD get away with making a claim that he had enough ammo to take down an airliner and/or heavy military machinery? Why does slander not apply to them? While I'm not saying this guy didn't do anything wrong - I'm noticing that nobody really seems to give a damn what he said online. The story the media is running with is "He had enough ammo to take down an airliner." (I've been hearing it all day on the airwaves) and photos of his collection. He's being tried by the media for what he owned, not what he did.
Regardless of what he did (and I fully agree that his comment was bizarre and frightening), this whole media circus about what he owned could easily happen to any one of us.
It seems like the rules with the media and some PDs are:
You buy A gun and you are a gun owner (you've crossed over to the dark side)
You own more than one gun and you have a collection (you're evil)
You own several guns and a decent amount of ammo and you have an arsenal (you're evil, dangerous, likely insane, and in need of SWAT taking you out ASAP).
and that's messed up IMO.
Neo-Luddite
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Regardless of what he did (and I fully agree that his comment was bizarre and frightening), this whole media circus about what he owned could easily happen to any one of us.
Oh, that's true--but most of us are more mature in the way we approach things--so our stuff doesn't get placed on a table and creatively described by jo-jo the 'it could have been a disaster I tells ya' talking monkey.
Oh, that's true--but most of us are more mature in the way we approach things--so our stuff doesn't get placed on a table and creatively described by jo-jo the 'it could have been a disaster I tells ya' talking monkey.
Neo-Luddite
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And for the record, my wife will be publishing my collected rantings after I 'go away' under the title
"...or Until Golden Brown".
She has told me as much.
So nobody use that one and everyone be sure to buy a copy 'cause my kids will still need shoes when I'm hauled off.
"...or Until Golden Brown".
She has told me as much.
So nobody use that one and everyone be sure to buy a copy 'cause my kids will still need shoes when I'm hauled off.
That's true, but it's still scary to think that the police and media can make these kinds of ludicrous statements and not feel that they A) are at all accountable for any errors in their statements and B) are doing any harm by sensationalizing these issues.
He had some guns.... get over it.... focus on what he did, not what he owns.
Homestead PD is just as much to blame as the media this time. As far as I'm concerned, that comment about "enough firepower to take down an airliner or heavy military machinery" (paraphrased) should be exposed publicly for just how ridiculous it is. How can that officer feel comfortable saying something like that?
I've played that segment a few times and I swear I think his nose actually grew a little.
1911Tuner
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They say that a flock of pigeons can take out an airplane.
Forsooth!
Guess they'd better get crackin' and pass a law against pigeons...
Forsooth!
Guess they'd better get crackin' and pass a law against pigeons...
JasperST5
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If only they could get a stool pigeon to rat out the rest of the flock they could avert any potential air disaster.
MikePGS
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Nevermind, should've read the entire thread I did a repeat.
Winchester 73
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You are on target .cheese.
From todays print(not online)edition of the Miami Herald.I am paraphrasing:
The officers said they found an apartment with weapons on the wall,on the floor and on tabletops,including four AK-47's,two sniper rifles,seven semiautomatic pistols and more than 5,000 rounds of ammunition.
"You know what you're walking into.I know I took it as serious as a heart attack,"said Homestead Det.Ricky Rivera,one of the arresting officers.
Police are still investigating to see if Wong bought guns illegally over the Internet.
"So that's what we're doing now,seeing if he has obtained them legally,"said Rivera."Unfortunately,the way the law is written now,you can have as many guns as you want."
Quite a scholar,Rivera.
Can you have as many books as you want,Detective Rivera?
Or should that be a crime also?
Rivera's last comment was left out of internet linked story.See:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_dade/story/483187.html
Neo-Luddite
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Hey, it's certainly an occasion to remind officer what's-his-name of his oath--in a nice way, of course. Or, at least tell him to hush up about laws he does and doesn't like. Does the Miami police dept. have a policy about officers talking to media? Don't they have a spokesperson who handles their propaganda for them??
Winchester 73
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To be fair, Det.Rivera works for the Homestead Police Dept., a city 30 miles south of Miami,not the Miami PD.
Dade County has 32 separate Police Agency's,believe it or not.
Neo-Luddite
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So noted--I was speaking out of turn.
rainbowbob
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You're not?
Not concerned about the people he was threatening to take out?
We are if you threaten to use that collection to anhialate innocent people...and nobody stops you.
Winchester 73
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The latest just in from the AP.
Wong's not dangerous ,his brother says,"He was collecting the AK-47's as an investment.
When Hillary gets in they are going to be banned again and prices will go up super high".
See,just a harmless collector.
http://extra.examiner.com/linker/?url=http://www.nbc6.net/news/15795901/detail.html
Wong's not dangerous ,his brother says,"He was collecting the AK-47's as an investment.
When Hillary gets in they are going to be banned again and prices will go up super high".
See,just a harmless collector.
http://extra.examiner.com/linker/?url=http://www.nbc6.net/news/15795901/detail.html
rainbowbob
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Uh-huh
jrfoxx
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I agree he guy should not be making treats to ham anyone. That is a crime, and I agree with it. Beyond that, the way the media is pushing his "huge cache of guns" and "huge ammo supply" (I have WAY more ammo on hand than this Guy) is the same typical thing they always do. other than the threats ( and I havn't seen exactly what it was he said, but there is good evidence he was banned multiple times from several forums, so SOMETHING was obviously up with this guy), and maybe dealing w/o a license (he definitely is pushing the limits on that from what I've read), the rest of what they are saying is ll just BS hype, especially Their emphasizing the "fact" that people/companies stopped selling to him,as unless the people and companies were knowingly violating the laws, he was buying legally, so their implications are intentionally misleading.
He started a long thread over on GlockTalk over a transaction that the seller backed out of when he found that Wong was under the legal age for an interstate handgun sale. Wong is posting as "Bear Guide" (another longer story--that's actually the name of an entirely different person at arfcom).
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760739
Wong was clearly TRYING to break the law, and when caught was brazen/crazy enough to try to turn it around on the guy who was trying to stay legal.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760739
Wong was clearly TRYING to break the law, and when caught was brazen/crazy enough to try to turn it around on the guy who was trying to stay legal.
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xjchief
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Wow, that's 10 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Why did I click that link? :banghead:
Titan6
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Gosh I can not really identify or feel sympathy for anyone in this comedy of horrors.
- Gun owner trying to commit illegal acts and making threats.
- Idiot police spokesman and their anti-gun stance.
- Parents too ignorant to know what is their closet or what little Johnny is up to, or even seem to care.
- Gun owner trying to commit illegal acts and making threats.
- Idiot police spokesman and their anti-gun stance.
- Parents too ignorant to know what is their closet or what little Johnny is up to, or even seem to care.
JasperST5
member
Good way to sum it up and unfortunately an all too common scenario these days.
Neo-Luddite
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My simple take was that the young man needed a girlfriend or military service in his life; either provide reality-based feedback loops that don't seem to have been there.
I agree with you guys about this individual probably being nuttier than a can of Planter's....
I just am concerned with how much more the police and media comments have focused on the collection than on his scary internet comments.
Owning weapons is one thing. Lots of us have sizable collections of firearms and accessories. We don't have plans to harm anybody with our weapons though (or at least I know I don't). The most we're likely to ever use our weapons for is target practice at the range. It therefore concerns me when I get the impression that the police and media would likely lump us into the same category as this guy. They're not waiting to see how this all turns out in a court before they demonize him. They don't care, because to them a collection of guns by default is equivalent to and consistent with - evil.
Of course, I know this is nothing new.... but it still bothers me.
I just am concerned with how much more the police and media comments have focused on the collection than on his scary internet comments.
Owning weapons is one thing. Lots of us have sizable collections of firearms and accessories. We don't have plans to harm anybody with our weapons though (or at least I know I don't). The most we're likely to ever use our weapons for is target practice at the range. It therefore concerns me when I get the impression that the police and media would likely lump us into the same category as this guy. They're not waiting to see how this all turns out in a court before they demonize him. They don't care, because to them a collection of guns by default is equivalent to and consistent with - evil.
Of course, I know this is nothing new.... but it still bothers me.
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