#1 Buck finally arrived

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I'd ordered 10 boxes of #1 buck shot, (it supposedly being the best compromise between size of shot and amount...so they say), from Streicher's about 6 months ago. I'd been looking for some for awhile after reading some glowing reports on it. It was on back order when I ordered it, I'd inquired a few times, they were quick to respond the Federal has a LONG back log for this ammo. I'd kind of forgotten about it, got a notification the other day that it had shipped! Even better, they only charged me the price it was selling for, $3.60 a box of five! Can't wait to go to the range and see how it patterns.
 
JamieC said:
I'd ordered 10 boxes of #1 buck shot, (it supposedly being the best compromise between size of shot and amount...so they say).
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I guess it depends on what you're shooting at. When I worked for Division of Prisons back in the '70s, our issue was #4 buckshot. Greatest range with highest probability of a hit. It didn't have anything to do with lethality for us; if the inmate could be shot at (fleeing felon), it was shoot to kill, maim, whatever it took to stop him, and we weren't limited to one shot.
 
The Firearms Tactical Institute report recommends #1 Buck

For personal defense and law enforcement applications, the International Wound Ballistics Association advocates number 1 buckshot as being superior to all other buckshot sizes.

Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances.

A standard 2 ¾-inch 12 gauge shotshell contains 16 pellets of #1 buck. The total combined cross sectional area of the 16 pellets is 1.13 square inches. Compared to the total combined cross sectional area of the nine pellets in a standard #00 (double-aught) buck shotshell (0.77 square inches), the # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma. In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body.
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http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm
 
I too received my Streicher's backorder, but mine dated to January of 2013 !

Hope to check it out soon.

BTW, I was not aware that this was low recoil/1100 fps stuff.
 
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Pyzon, if it's not what you wanted, I'll take some of it off your hands to use in my single-shot break-action H&R as a good camp defense load/gun combination.
 
I'm curious to hear from y'all how this load patterns for you. It's been reported that the #1 loads generally don't pattern all that well, for some reason or t'other....

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ETA - I just saw that it's FliteControl load. Now I *really* wanna know how it patterns. :)
 
bangswitch said:
I guess it depends on what you're shooting at. When I worked for Division of Prisons back in the '70s, our issue was #4 buckshot. Greatest range with highest probability of a hit.....
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Yeah, that's just what I was thinking. It was my inderstanding that #4 bridged the gap just about better than anything else.
 
rbernie said:
I'm curious to hear from y'all how this load patterns for you. It's been reported that the #1 loads generally don't pattern all that well, for some reason or t'other....

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ETA - I just saw that it's FliteControl load. Now I *really* wanna know how it patterns. :)
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Perhaps the patterns show here will encourage pattern testing - its like sighting in your rifle!

At the link with an extended Trulock modified choke: "A very nice 14 inch group at 45 yards."

http://www.theboxotruth.com/educational-zone-148-product-evaluation-trulock-shotgun-choke-tubes/
 
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C0untZer0 said:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm
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I don't doubt the much more modern take on what's a better size shot. DOP's theory 40 years ago was that at close range (less than 20 yards) it didn't make much difference what size shot was used. As range increased out to the maximum effective range of 60-70 yards, there was a higher probability of a hit with a larger shot cloud (more pellets), even though lethality decreased.

Up close and personal, within 10 -15 feet in a home defense situation, a direct hit with birdshot would work. I'd hate to be the E.R. doc who had to pick it all out of the wound.
 
Up close and personal, within 10 -15 feet in a home defense situation, a direct hit with birdshot would work.
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No, it won't. It's been proven time and again by real world experience that birdshot lacks the penetration needed to hit human vitals. It isn't even a reliable penetrator of the thin facial bones of the head, much less the ribs in the torso.

The only way that birdshot stops A Bad Guy is if they decide to stop. It doesn't have the powers of persuasion to MAKE them stop.
 
Pyzon, if it's not what you wanted, I'll take some of it off your hands
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As long as I waited, I think it is all that is available. I just wonder if all the Federal #1 is low recoil.
 
RMc said:
Remember today's .286" #1B generally runs 17% lighter per pellet than nominal .30" buckshot pellets.
So be aware the cross section area and penetration results would be different.


If true nominal .30" #1B was used in the Federal LE #1B, the shotcup would hold 12 pellets in a 2 pellet per layer stack.


http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-56-federal-flight-control-1-buckshot/
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Checking the true nominal #1B capacity of Flite Control wads for 3" and 3.5" shells would be 16 and 20 pellets respectively, again, stacked with two 40 grain pellets per layer.

Federal is missing a bet by not bringing such full power loads to market for predator hunting as well as for deer hunting in traditional buckshot regions and buckshot only areas.
 
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rbernie said:
I'm curious to hear from y'all how this load patterns for you. It's been reported that the #1 loads generally don't pattern all that well, for some reason or t'other....

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ETA - I just saw that it's FliteControl load. Now I *really* wanna know how it patterns. :)
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I patterned non-flight-control (S&B) 00, #1, and #4 buckshot in my cylinder bore Auto-5 at 5 and 10 yards. By a small margin the #4 had the best, most uniform, slightly tighter pattern. That was followed by the #1, and finally the 00 was slightly the worst. All things considered, I prefer the #1 out of that gun (but it is no longer a cylinder bore so I need to re-pattern it).

I also patterned #8 birdshot and at the same distances it opens up to just about 2x the pattern diameter as the buckshot and is more uniform.

There is a TON of mis-information on the internet and elsewhere about shotgun patterns, rule-of-thumb BS and so forth regarding chokes. If a shotgunner isn't patterning his gun with his loads, he doesn't know squat about what he's putting out there in terms of pattern.
 
The #1 buck I just got isn't Flite Control. I do have a bunch of 00 buck w/Flite Control I got a while back, haven't had time to get to the range to pattern it. Most of the standard 00 buck I have will put most of the pellets on the silhouette at 25 yards usually. Yeah, there's some 'wiggle room' in that statement. I'm expecting the Flite Control to put 'most' of the pellets on the silhouette out to at least 40 yards. Not sure how the #1 buck will compare.
 
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No, it won't. It's been proven time and again by real world experience that birdshot lacks the penetration needed to hit human vitals. It isn't even a reliable penetrator of the thin facial bones of the head, much less the ribs in the torso.

The only way that birdshot stops A Bad Guy is if they decide to stop. It doesn't have the powers of persuasion to MAKE them stop.
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Or you cut the case in the middle of the wad, effectively making it a slug.

I picked up a bunch of Remington 0 Buck for a song a while back at SG, so I'm good for a while.
 
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