So far, not impressed by 3.5" 12 gauge

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I do some goose hunting, not a lot compared to my duck hunting, but some. Over the years, I got tired of the range limitations of BB steel on snow geese and when hevi shot prices, well, actually Federal Tungsten/Iron went from a buck 30 a shot to near 3 dollars, I looked for an alternative. I didn't have a 3 1/2" 12, liked the idea of the ten gauge, so bought a H&R 10 to use on 'em.

Yeah, the H&R is a single shot, so what? I like hunting with it. But, I found a Mossberg 535 at a pawn shop a couple of years ago, 3.5" chamber, so I bought it just because of that and, well, at 170 bucks and scratchless near new looking finish, I could not just walk off and leave it there. :banghead: It's a very smooth and rattle free gun. My old 500 is a bit rattley by comparison. It's wood and steel, not the camo finish I'd have preferred, but being as most of my goose hunting is done in upland fields, not salt marshes, no biggy either.

I used the 535 on doves a couple of years back and so long as I was away from the mojo a bit, had some range on 'em, the gun did REAL well. It's of normal weight for a shotgun with an alloy receiver, meaning pretty light as pump 12s go. Well, yesterday, I FINALLY picked up a box of steel T shot, Winchester 1 1/4 ounce 1600+ fps loads at 19 bucks a box, not bad since the last 10s I bought were 30 dollars. :rolleyes: I do have a 10 gauge mec reloader to cut that cost, though, just haven't amassed enough hulls to bother with it. So, today, I finally set about to pattern the gun with 3.5" steel T shot. It has a high bar to match in the 10 gauge as the 10 pattens consistently over 90 percent at 40 yards on a 30" pattern board.

I drew my pattern circle on a large piece of cardboard and tacked it to the target frame on my back yard range, backed off 40 yards and let one rip. DAMN, first impressing, this thing has some RECOIL. I didn't really appreciate that, but whadda ya expect in a light 12? The gun fits me, shimmed it to fit, and it has a Limb Saver on it. Lord knows, without that, I might be missing a shoulder and a face.:eek:

The results of the shot were sub par, too. I got a 71 percent pattern with a good size, maybe teal sized hole in the right lower quadrant, not impressive compared to the 10. I do not think the 10 has anything to worry about getting booted out of the goose gun role. Nope, the Mossy is a nice gun, won't sell it, was a good bargain, but not a 10 gauge replacement, no way, no how. The 10 is 9 pounds and I've fired near a box in a morning with it with only a bit of soreness the next day. This damned light 12 could separated a friggin' shoulder!

I know the 535 isn't back bored like the 835s. That might make a difference, but if I were going to try another 3.5" 12, I'd get one of the gas autoloaders for some shoulder help.
 
Yup. I remember shooting a friend's Benelli Supernova with 3.5" chamber with a buckshot load of some sort. Your thoughts on recoil mimic my experience as well.

It was entertaining, but the recoil made the gun completely impractical. I'd have rather shot my Mosin M44 any day (steel buttplate and all!)
 
I fired ONE 3.5" shell out of a turkey gun a few years back. My whole upper body felt it, and it did not pattern worth a darn compared to my 3.00" shells. I will pass on the 3.5" shells as they do nothing I can't do with a bigger, heavier gun that will not tear my body apart.
 
I recently repaired a Remington 1187 Super Mag. Naturally I had to test fire the thing, let me tell ya that thing set me back a couple of feet, using (3) 3 1/2" mags. Not a fun gun to shoot at any means. No I didn't even attempt to pattern it.
 
I had a Winchester super X 2. Nice shotgun and the gas OP semiauto took some of the pain out of it but I decided it just wasn't necessary and I sold it. I got a deal on hevishot and bought 3 cases of 3" that will last me a good long time.
 
Lightfield 3.5" slugs out of a Mossberg 835 was one of the worst things I've ever felt.

Messing around with 3.5" rounds was interesting for a little bit, but now I'm coming around to the idea that pattern is king and payload weight of far lesser importance.
 
My limited experience with 3.5 was not great. Extreme prices for loads you can get cheaper in a 3" usually. Occasionally you get a touch more, but realistically for me, it made no sense to pay three times the price for 10% more performance...usually same performance. I have no need for it, ever.
 
When the 3-1/2" 12 ga came out I just had to have one for my turkey hunting, that is until I actually shot it with full thumping shells. I still have that big boy, but I don't shoot 3-1/2's from it any more.

I shot a gobbler with it right after I got it, and I actually blacked out for a moment.

GS
 
i bought a 870 pump remington SM 3.5" last year for a very good price(200.00) new in the box off a man who won it and didn,t hunt. it put 320 #6 pellets in a 14 inch square target with the winchester long beard shells at a lazared 42 yards and 240 #5 pellets in the 14 inch square target at the same 42 yards and 155 #4 pellets at the same 42 yards in the 14 inch square target.with a .660 jelly head choke tube, the shells cost 24.99 for ten at dunhams. i used a lead sled it pattern the loads with a leupold 1x4 scope. i will be using the 3,5 'remington on the first day of turkey on the 3rd of may. eastbank.
 
first target left to right is of the #4,s,second target is #5,s, and the third is #6,s. eastbank.
 

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I like to keep my Benelli Super Nova Tactical loaded with Remington 3.5" magnum 00 buck loads, 18 pellet.

Twice the payload of the standard LE/.mil 00 buck load 2 3/4" shell w/ 9 pellets. It is devastating on both ends, I'll admit! But it works for me. It is the ultimate thumper, if any firearm that would be safe to fire indoors has "stopping power", that would be it.

And it works for me.
 
I have to say that my 11-87 Supermag doesn't really seem that bad to shoot, at least like some of you describe. It will get your attention, but nothing that would make me think twice about using it again. Patterns good with Win. Supreme #5's (2 oz. load), but I've got a box of Longbeard I'm going to try this year.
 
Played around with a 3.5" gun a few years ago with a Benelli Nova. I found steel shot to be stout, but tolerable. It was the 3.5" turkey loads that were just too much.

I decided I can do anything I need to do with 2 3/4" and 3" capability.
 
Long shot string, heavy recoil, subpar patterning with large shot sizes pretty well sums it up.
A 10 guage does all better and always has.
An 8 guage is even better but we all know what happened there,,,, Banned.
TOO Effective...
 
Onmilo, the win long beards 3.5,s loaded with 2oza shot are listed at 1200fps and look at the pattern for #4 shot at 42 yards, 40 yards is the max distance i will shoot at a turkey and i mark that distance when i set up. i,m 70 years old and 5'11" 210lbs, this rem is the first 3.5" mag i ever owned. but it does pattern very good with the win long beards and it does kick, but i use a lead sled to sight the scope in and it takes the bite out of the recoil. i also use the federal flight controll wad 2oz #5,s in a win. 1300 turkey pump and a H&R single barrel set up for running and gunning turkeys and that shotgun kicks also, but when firing at a turkey i never have minded it. in my 870 rem mag the long beards do the best with a jelly head .660 choke, i tried several other makers choke tubes from .640 to .690, but the .660 does the best. eastbank
 

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Long shot string, heavy recoil, subpar patterning with large shot sizes pretty well sums it up.
A 10 guage does all better and always has.

I agree at least to the T steel, big shot. I was shooting through a modified choke, haven't tried I/C. Sometimes, I/C can actually shoot tighter with big steel loads. I should try a pattern through the I/C choke, I guess. Too, that fast steel load is only shooting 65 pellets. A normal steel T shoots 82 in the 12 3.5", 85 in the 10. But, 17 pellets more, considering only 71 percent of 'em are going to count, ain't that good, especially with all the holes in the pattern. Little number 4s might do okay, but I have no use for 4s in lead loads in 3.5". The law says steel for geese and there aren't many turkeys around here. I've only ever shot one turkey in 62 years of life and that was with a 2 3/4' number 4 shot 12 gauge.

My 10 patterns over 90 percent on a 30" circle at 40 yards and the few strays aren't far out of the line. That thing reaches out there beyond 60 yards on snows if you can do your part and while its recoil isn't .410 class, it's not near as punishing from a 9 lb gun. When you're shooting Turkey, it's one shot, one kill. Try putting a box of those 3.5" Ts at geese in a morning, tell me it don't hurt. I've done that with the 10 and wasn't that bad. The ten is a specialist gun, but would use it on turkey if I hunted 'em. My 12s are waterfowl/duck guns and occasional doves, though I prefer a 20 for doves.
 
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I've been shooting geese dead for years with 2.75 " BB. Never felt the need to move up to 3" and wouldn't even consider the 3.5". I'm out there to enjoy myself, not beat the crap out of myself.
 
Back in the good old days Active had a 2 1/4oz load in a 3" 12 ga. I lost 3 teeth by shooting a turkey. The bird came around to my right side so I got the bright idea to shoot him left handed. We calculated the recoil at 55#. My 30-06 is 20# at the most.

MC, I don't know about steel shot in a Mossberg but turkey loads usually needed an aftermarket choke to get the most from them. Just assuming that yours has screw -in chokes.
 
You shouldn't shoot big steel through a full or especially a turkey choke, could damage the gun. Modified is generally what I shoot for a full choke pattern, but the bigger shot like T can mess with things. I need to find an I/C choke, looked yesterday, but it's in a box somewhere I guess from the move last year. I'll stumble across it when I'm not looking for it, no doubt.

I've been shooting geese dead for years with 2.75 " BB. Never felt the need to move up to 3" and wouldn't even consider the 3.5". I'm out there to enjoy myself, not beat the crap out of myself.

Snow geese are a different animal. They're about the most wary of all the geese and especially late season, but they've been shot at by everyone in Saskatchewan south by the time they get down here. Especially on clear days, you won't get 'em in range of BB shot. You'll cripple far more than you'll bring down at 50 yards, trust me. The best spreads and the best callers won't get 'em in range of steel BB from a 3", let alone 2 3/4. I got the 10 out of frustration with the BB steel in 3" 12 and the prices on hevi shot. Hevi shot is effective from a 3" load in BB, but I ain't got that kind of money to throw around, 3 to four bucks a shot, on geese. 10 gauge is a bargain at 25 dollars a box, a dollar a shot, by comparison. Don't take long, if you hunt geese much at all, to pay for the gun with the ammo savings and 10 gauge steel Ts work most impressively, shoot right through a snow goose inside 40 yards and leave an exit wound.

Folks that have never popped a cap on snow geese, especially in Texas, beat their chests and tell me it ain't the gun, it's the hunter. Well, if you've never shot at a snow goose, how would you possibly know these things? But, yeah, the 12 3.5 is punishing, a might TOO punishing. The 10 seems to be the best way to go. I could add shot to the stock, might mess up the balance of the gun, but would add weight to it and weight is good for recoil attenuation. But, if I can't get any better patterns than i'm getting, screw it, I'll stick with the 10.
 
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Both of my guns are 3.5 inches. My SBE2 patterns Remington T Shot with an Trulock IC choke the best, and I like Hevi Turkey out of my .660 Trulock nonported. Everything else is 2 3/4inch 7/8oz 7.5 shot for sporting clays. Pattern Pattern, and then figure out if makes sense for what you shoot at.
 
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