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Wife has given me 1k to spend on a rifle. I already have a shotgun, deer rifle, pistols... really thinking about some sort of "assualt rifle".... especially since all the bad press they have been getting recently I think I should get one now.

There are alot of choices out there, I want something I can add to later, easy/cheap to shoot, but something with a good rep.

Any comments are appreciated.

Thanks,
Jack
 
ar15. they come in many diffrent flavors. pick the one that suits you. but if you dont have money for ammo, then get an ak and then mags and ammo with the rest of the money you have.

i would have suggested an m-1a but a grand really isnt enough.
 
AR-15.

With a grand I'd get a dpms lite carbine with 10 mags.

Civilian Ak-47s might seem like a steal, but remember that you get what you paid for. There is a reason why companies like Krebs can sell $1000 Ak-47s and stay in business.
 
There are several new rifles slated for release in 2008 - SCAR, Masada, possibly the HK416. If you can hold onto the money for a few months, you'll have the option of either buying one of the new rifles or catching AR and AK manufacturers as they lower prices to make their product more attractive. SHOT 2008 is in February and should bring some new products to the market as well.

On the other hand, that is six or so months of shooting you could have done with a rifle you buy now. Your choice :)
 
You had to know the first reply was going to be an AR.

It all depends on your personality and likes.

Practically everyone that owns an AR has it in the M4 configuration. I personally like the A1 or A2 style like the one pictured in another thread. If you're going the .223 route, you may also want to look at the Sig 556.

If you want an East Bloc rifle, you have the SKS, AK or Dragunov. The SKS has enough aftermarket parts to fill any addiction though a modern sniper rifle firing 7.62x54R would be nice.

Since you have pistols, maybe you'd want to look at a Baretta CX-4. It has that "assault rifle" look in a 9mm. I personally own a Hi-Point, partly due to price and I kinda like the simplistic utility of it.

Another thing to consider is whether or not you reload. If you do then no big deal. If not, feeding an AR may get expensive, especially if you're a volume shooter.

For me, I have a $200 Hi-Point 995 with a $40 ATI stock. It looks like a CX-4, but the differance in $500 allows me to get more ammo.
 
There are several new rifles slated for release in 2008 - SCAR, Masada, possibly the HK416. If you can hold onto the money for a few months, you'll have the option of either buying one of the new rifles or catching AR and AK manufacturers as they lower prices to make their product more attractive.
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I can't see the AR manufacturers lowering prices to compete because I can't see those three rifles hitting the market at much under $1500.

Wife has given me 1k to spend on a rifle.
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AR or AK, a few quality mags, and ammo.
 
If a .308 is more your taste, think about a FAL of some sort.

Don't overlook a Saiga AK. It's got the quality of an Arsenal, and if you're handy with a dremel, you can make it into anything you want.
 
I can't see the AR manufacturers lowering prices to compete because I can't see those three rifles hitting the market at much under $1500.
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Not necessarily true. If you would have bought 2 WASR-10s at $400; but decide to buy an $800 AR15 instead, that is two more WASR-10s in dealer inventory than there would be if the AR15 wasn't available. Likewise, a lot of the people who are going to be buying those three rifles would normally be buying more ARs or AKs (or at least parts and accessories for them).
 
Redlion, "Civilian Ak-47s might seem like a steal, but remember that you get what you paid for. There is a reason why companies like Krebs can sell $1000 Ak-47s and stay in business."

Yep they get Full military spec parts sets surplused out in Europe dirt cheap, which must have the receiver cut to be legal for import into the USA as military machine guns cannot be imported, they then build all those military spec components (same parts being used around the world by many armies for 60 years) on a legal USA made fully heat treated receiver which actually surpasses the original for quality, After all those mil spec parts are reassembled its then sold in a semi auto only version for $500 that 100% military spec rifle functions exactly as it did in its military form except it now has no auto sear nor a provision for that auto sear therefore can only operate as a semi auto...... just like it did before when the selector was in Semi auto mode, its called lower overhead costs, they get the brand new never issued military rifles for $50 ea after shipping and cutting etc.. those parts are up to $100 they then add a $55 Receiver and the rest is the labor for re-assembling the rifle........... total military quality and proven reliability in every corner of the world......

Now in the USA and the CIVILIAN AR 15, well over here we don't have forced labor and Americans want to be paid more than $50 a week for their labor so there goes your overhead costs right through the roof and then to make matters worse that Civilian AR15 in most cases will not be built from actual military spec components but rather Mimed investment cast facismle of the actual military spec parts used in a REAL M4 or M16....... the civilian AR is only a shadow of the quality of the actual military grade rifle unless of course you are paying $3500 for your civilian AR and actually buying a true military grade version that has been converted for semi auto only use.......

like you said....... "you get what you pay for" that is so very true, myself I prefer the AK thats actually built from a proven totally military spec set of parts........ but hey some folks like to pay $1000 or $1500 and "believe" they have the same rifle being carried by US troops......... well add another $2000 to that $1500 and you will have a military spec/grade rifle, otherwise what ya are carryin is a clone that costs so much because the labor unions here insist that the guys pouring the metal in the investment cast mould get $35 per hour instead of the European communist who is being paid in food vouchers and comrade thinks he's a higher paid member of the party cause he gets extra food vouchers......

As far as the OP, Right now the Century Yugo's are a great deal at $429 , next are the Lancaster consulting built AKs at $499 with lifetime warranty with the Lancaster (Not even my Colt ARs have a lifetime warrany..... guess colt isn't as confident in their product as Lancaster is in their product huh?) in either case each is built from 100% military spec and top quality components, the Yugo has a basic military parkerized finish thats not as nice as the parkerized AND moly resin finish on the Lancaster AK......

do a search for AK this topic is discussed in great detail every week on THR
 
the civilian AR is only a shadow of the quality of the actual military grade rifle unless of course you are paying $3500 for your civilian AR and actually buying a true military grade version that has been converted for semi auto only use.......
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Oh wow... That is an interesting statement. You have seen how much an LMT or Colt costs right? You know why colt is using full auto bolt carriers on their AR15's? So they don't have to make two separate parts. $1300 will get you a "military grade" AR15.
 
Outlaws, Look up how much DOD is paying for em, not the civilian AR15, the last price tag I saw listed was our tax dollars to the tune of $3500 per
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The .gov does not pay $3500 for an M16/M4...especially the DOD.
 
The difference between a Colt 6920 and a REAL M4 is the following:

M4 has an extra hole in the lower receiver to accept a pin which holds the additional full-auto parts.

M4 has a 14.5" barrel.

M4 uses .150 trigger/hammer pins instead of .170

M4 has a different roll stamp on the side to identify it.

M4 doesn't have a "high shelf" to block the installation of full-auto parts.

M4 doesn't have an AR-15 hammer (round head, rear hook), trigger (open back) and disconnector.


Rest is identical. Note, that all of the above are all related to select-fire or NFA features such as short-barrel except for the pin sizes. Point is, none of these things change the quality or the function of the rifle. The 6920 is just an M4 labeled differently and made to comply with U.S. law. Mostly so that LE officers can buy these for duty/personal use. If you want a select-fire, the dept will have to own it, since you cannot personally own a post-1986 machine gun. Whatever LE doesn't buy goes into the civilian market.


A local gunshop has about eight 6920's for $1,375. That's not a lot considering the material specs, manufacture, testing are identical to the actual M4. When people praise the quality and similarity of the 6920 to the actual military M4, they do so because it is the closest thing to it, and identical in many, many ways. But, some nitpicker always comes around and gives the purist's point of view that if it isn't select-fire, or doesn't have .150 pins, or doesn't have a 14.5" barrel then it isn't an M4 and that somehow that has an effect on the quality of the 6920, as to infer that the 6920 is inferior in build quality - which is FALSE.
 
Check out rock river arms in your AR research as well. They have good quality that I can tell from shooting some and what others have said reviewing.
 
A local gunshop has about eight 6920's for $1,375. That's not a lot considering the material specs, manufacture, testing are identical to the actual M4. When people praise the quality and similarity of the 6920 to the actual military M4, they do so because it is the closest thing to it, and identical in many, many ways. But, some nitpicker always comes around and gives the purist's point of view that if it isn't select-fire, or doesn't have .150 pins, or doesn't have a 14.5" barrel then it isn't an M4 and that somehow that has an effect on the quality of the 6920, as to infer that the 6920 is inferior in build quality - which is FALSE.
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The purist in me feels compelled to mention the 6921 is about an inch and a half closer to a real M4 than the 6920, and can be registered in many states. ;):neener:
 
As for the original post in the thread:

If you are an enthusiast:

Saiga 7.62x39: $300
Conversion parts (Tapco G2, buttstock, grip, feedramp): $140
3 Steel 30rd Mags: $60
Side Mount $40
Aimpoint 9000SC (Midway Sale, camo model, 50K hrs batt life, 4moa model) $250
Remaining $210: 1,000rd case of Wolf MC.

If not:

Bushmaster AR-15: $900 OTD, comes with a mag.
Remaining money: Ammo, probably just a few boxes as you can't buy a 1/2 case with what is left.
 
Don't tread on me, "A local gunshop has about eight 6920's for $1,375." now how could that be possible? Didn't you read what Redlion said above

Redlion, "Civilian Ak-47s might seem like a steal, but remember that you get what you paid for. There is a reason why companies like Krebs can sell $1000 Ak-47s and stay in business."


Based on his estimation there is no possiblilty that you can get a Quality rifle in the $1000 price range .................. so how could such a shop manage to be able to stay in business........

That was the entire point of my post above but apperantly a few folks aren't capable of reading anything without me drawing out letter by letter the connection ... Black line or White line only understanding no grey line comprehension so ya get all those gettin indignant etc.....

Sorry I couldn't make a grey line fit so those could see it.........
 
Ar-15

I bought a new Olympic Arms K16 bull barrel ar 2 years ago for $709.00 at a gun show and love it.:D With red dot sight and a couple of extra mags, I stayed under a grand. I used to have a Ruger mini-30, but I like the AR much better.
 
Don't Tread On Me said:
As for the original post in the thread:

If you are an enthusiast:

Saiga 7.62x39: $300
Conversion parts (Tapco G2, buttstock, grip, feedramp): $140
3 Steel 30rd Mags: $60
Side Mount $40
Aimpoint 9000SC (Midway Sale, camo model, 50K hrs batt life, 4moa model) $250
Remaining $210: 1,000rd case of Wolf MC.

If not:

Bushmaster AR-15: $900 OTD, comes with a mag.
Remaining money: Ammo, probably just a few boxes as you can't buy a 1/2 case with what is left.
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See, this guy gets it. $1,000 is nice, but you have to allow for ammo, which is going up with no end in sight.

$119, after discount, for 1,080 rounds of 5.45x39: http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=AM1352

Their shipping is tremendously reasonable, and free if you spend more than $500. If it were me, I'd buy something in 5.45x39, which is similar in ballistic terms to 5.56x45, and take advantage of the cheap ammo. You're never going to see military surplus first-run ammo for an AR-15 for 11¢ a round -- NEVER.

Just something to think about.

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Don't tread on me, "A local gunshop has about eight 6920's for $1,375." now how could that be possible? Didn't you read what Redlion said above

Redlion, "Civilian Ak-47s might seem like a steal, but remember that you get what you paid for. There is a reason why companies like Krebs can sell $1000 Ak-47s and stay in business."


Based on his estimation there is no possiblilty that you can get a Quality rifle in the $1000 price range .................. so how could such a shop manage to be able to stay in business........

That was the entire point of my post above but apperantly a few folks aren't capable of reading anything without me drawing out letter by letter the connection ... Black line or White line only understanding no grey line comprehension so ya get all those gettin indignant etc.....

Sorry I couldn't make a grey line fit so those could see it.........
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Could you draw me that gray line because I don't see what you are getting at.

But I would like to point out one more flaw in your thinking that I noticed while trying to figure out what you mean on that last post...

unless of course you are paying $3500 for your civilian AR and actually buying a true military grade version that has been converted for semi auto only use.......
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Please show me one of these AR15/M16/M4 rifles that you speak of for $3500 that has been converted from Full Auto, to legally a Semi Auto, for civilian purchase. Just one single example.
 
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5.45 seems like a good idea, but it has it's pitfalls too.


The rifles have gone up and there isn't a great selection, except for the Romanian or kit variety which aren't to my liking.


I had a chance to buy an Arsenal 5.45, brand new for $450. This was during that long dry spell where 5.45 was no where to be found. I told the dealer not a penny over $400 - he refused. I didn't care since it was a gamble on a rifle/ammo combo of limited availability. It seems like a foolish thing, but at the time I would have spent $450 on a rifle that wouldn't have seen a single round of ammo for 2.5 years.


Now, some surplus has come in and it is cheap. This ammo is coming in at the price per case that Wolf .223 used to be back in 2001-2. Ah, the good ole days!


Problem is, it is surplus and that is always of limited quantity. It is not new manufacture. When is Wolf or Barnaul going to make new production ammo in 5.45? If so, it will be just as expensive as .223 and anything else due to inflation, exchange rate and metal prices (not to mention shipping due to higher fuel costs).


There's also no domestically made 5.45. That's a big negative right there. At least 7.62x39mm can be fed with Winchester from WalMart if you are desperate.


If I were to do 5.45, I'd absolutely buy at least 10,000rds. That way, at a minimum, I can justify buying the rifle to blast away with that ammo. I wouldn't want to buy the rifle and just 1 or 2 cases and find later on that 5.45 is gone for the foreseeable future.


Is that surplus 5.45 corrosive?
 
All the AR recomendations,,,,,,
Why is everyone so crazy about the 'rat guns'?

You want a assault rifle?
Apply the bucks toward a rack grade Springfield M1A.
Then put the rest on your credit card, and keep your mouth shut about it.
(If ya get caught,, Remember, Its easier to get forgiveness than permision)

The M1A will do anything ya ever ask it to do.
And when you go to the range, and everyone else sees it-
You'll never have 'buyer's remorse'.

---Even when you're beside them guys with some of that over engineered,
over priced-- Euro-trash.
Its sort of like when folks leave tennis shoe prints all over a new, $75,000 Lexus:
Just to get a better look at a restored, 60's era street rod with about $4,500 put into it.


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