1016 yards Idaho Black Bear hunting...

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While I would not take a shot that long, those guys obviously have the skill and equipment to do so. I find it less offensive than the guy who shoots from nothing but a bench at 100 yds but will try and hit game at 4-500 yds by "putting the crosshairs on the top of his back" in hopes the trajectory table on the ammo box is correct.
 
Thats shooting not hunting, was it a sow or bore? Was it a decent sized bear? And i wonder if a hunter could have been in the area down range ,say a bow hunter that might not need orange on if in a tree. Whats the newest record for a 1000yards shot . Well under 2" with a real rifle not a bench gun. I would be more impressed with them beating that.
 
Wow. That is appalling. I'll be sure never to be that much of an idiot, for the sake of my fellow hunters out there. That's a B.S., lucky shot. Let me guess, this new rifle/cartridge setup not only defies gravity, it defies wind too? :banghead:

How is that fun and/or sporting in any way, shape, or form?
 
Congratulations, you over paid on a bunch of gear to take the fun out of hunting!
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There are plenty of guys out there that spend a fortune on scent lock camo, bait, and whatever other gear was featured on the latest hunting show only to go and gut shoot a deer at 50 yards.
 
"Shooting," "Hunting," "Sporting," who cares? Good homework, good gear, good range and wind dope, clean shot = nice job!

If you want to see the whites of it's eyes, then hunt that way and be happy.

If you want to tune your skills until you can take a 1,016 yd., ethically, then do so.

If you want to say, "My way is the only way for ME," then so be it. Saying, "My way should be the only way for him, too!" is very poor.

That some THR members would look at that excellent shot and then say this:
Did they use the bear? Or just kill it for the "sport" of it?
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... is just appalling! For shame! Who are you to cast aspersions about his hunting ethics?

Would you ask the same question if you watched a video of Bubba flattening a button-buck at 25 yards with a $180 Maverick 12 ga. from WalMart?

Or this:
That's a B.S., lucky shot. Let me guess, this new rifle/cartridge setup not only defies gravity, it defies wind too?
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Did you watch the video? They had the wind doped, they had the range figured. They knew exactly what they were doing and did it perfectly. I'd wager that they were MORE in control of that shot than 90% of shots taken by hunters every year.

Some of these responses are just SAD.

-Sam
 
I find it amazing that people still believe that just because they don't find something "sporting" that they will be "appalled" by it.

Personally I'm not appalled by this shot... nor is it something I'm going to strive to do personally... but my question would be ... who in the hell are you to tell someone what is sporting and what is not.

Personally I don't find "Football" in Europe to be all that exciting... but millions play and/or watch it... there are some things in the Olympics that I don't consider sports... nor should they be there but they are and some people love to do it.

Then again I'm not going to bash them in a forum for what they love and desire to do.

Maybe these people find this type of hunting very sporting... maybe it's something they love to do. Personally I have no problem with it ... as long as they are safe, ethical, and have the skill and equipment to pull it off with as good of results as the "normal hunter" would have.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course... but it just seems like people are damning these guys for no good reason. Obviously they had the equipment and the personal know how to get the job done. It seemed like a clean kill. I have no problems with this if this is what these people enjoy to do.

Free country and all...

In all reality ... is Curling a sport? I don't think so ... but some people love that ****. Who am I to bash them over it?

This person could have been retired military... that was a sniper... and was trained to take into consideration all of the variables in these types of shots... and this is what they have done their entire life and they love and enjoy it... and are great at it...

Who ware we to judge?
 
I would not take a shot like that. Simply because I know my capabilities and I would not have a snowballs chance in hell of making it. If someone has the equipment and skill to shoot like that *consistently* more power to them IMO.
 
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You know why I used the word "appalling?" Because a 1000+ yard shot on a moving animal, with wind, is a not very likely scenario. I don't care if the guy is a trained sniper with a trained spotter. I don't care if the guy has a .50 cal! That was a lucky shot.

I'm just saying, do we really need more yahoos out there trying this? I mean come on! People are going to try this and 99 out of a 100 times, the result is a wounded bear. AND THAT'S IF THEY HIT IT.

I live in an area that I am fortunate enough to hunt everyday. I own land that I live on and hunt on. I manage it, deny people the right to hunt on it, take what I need and what it can support, and I love the sport. I have lived it my whole life and use what has been passed down to me. You are damn right I don't see this as ethical. Even though this particular situation worked out, if you don't see the problem then it's not ME who is out of line here.
 
I'm just saying, do we really need more yahoos out there trying this? I mean come on! People are going to try this and 99 out of a 100 times, the result is a wounded bear. AND THAT'S IF THEY HIT IT.
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So damn everyone because of some peoples actions... wow.. that sounds like a great way to be.

I saw a segment on the Outdoor network the other night where a stupid unprepared girl gutshot a buck at 15 yards... they didn't find the deer for 2 weeks... so damn all those that choose to hunt with a bow.

Sound logic.

Geez...
 
And also, if they were a sniper at some point and they "love it," maybe they should realize the difference in what they were trained to do and hunting. Two different ball games man. Big difference between hunting and nature, and a job.
 
if you don't see the problem
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So they took a well calculated shot... Wherein lies the problem? I have far more ethical objection to the majority of yahoos I've encountered when hunting public land that have the "if it's brown it's down" mentality. I got quite a few EAB buck stickers from finding gut shot, decomposing deer on my land when I lived in Wisconsin.
 
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You know why I used the word "appalling?" Because a 1000+ yard shot on a moving animal, with wind, is a not very likely scenario. I don't care if the guy is a trained sniper with a trained spotter. I don't care if the guy has a .50 cal! That was a lucky shot.

I'm just saying, do we really need more yahoos out there trying this? I mean come on! People are going to try this and 99 out of a 100 times, the result is a wounded bear. AND THAT'S IF THEY HIT IT.

I live in an area that I am fortunate enough to hunt everyday. I own land that I live on and hunt on. I manage it, deny people the right to hunt on it, take what I need and what it can support, and I love the sport. I have lived it my whole life and use what has been passed down to me. You are damn right I don't see this as ethical. Even though this particular situation worked out, if you don't see the problem then it's not ME who is out of line here.
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I disagree, just because you or I can not make a shot reliably at that range does not mean that nobody can. I have watched sniper competitions on the military channel where they are tasked with making exreme range shots under strict time constraints. (like 60 seconds to locate target, calculate range/windage, and put the round on target if I recall correctly) I would think that if they can pull it off in those conditions, there is no reason to think it wouldn't be possible to reliably put down a bear at that range either if you take the time to adjust for all of the variables, which it *seems* was done in this video.
 
And also, if they were a sniper at some point and they "love it," maybe they should realize the difference in what they were trained to do and hunting. Two different ball games man. Big difference between hunting and nature, and a job.
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Yes .. because being professionally trained to fire a gun under varying conditions and to make precision shots would be just absolutely worthless when hunting...

Come on... if you are going to try ... try a bit harder...
 
Well, I'm done with this. I know there are others who agree with me and feel passionately about it. I didn't say anything about bows and arrows, but if you want to say that, fine. I don't know why you can't see the difference, but ok.

I mean, honestly, what do you want me to say? "It is great for the sport, I can't believe the shot that guy made. I am going to get a setup like that too. I bet he could've stretched to 1200 yards on an elk." Nope, not me. I don't like it and that's my belief. What, condone me for not liking something? I thought we were supposed to have really open minds here. You are right, everything is ok and I concede.

Well, peace be with you. I promise I will not post on this again. Enjoy your discussion.
 
Gentlemen,

One more thing. Keep in mind I was talking about hunting. It is something called reality. I don't care what people were trained to do. Hunting is something more than that. Can any of you really see yourselves making a 1000 yard shot on a STATIONARY bear? This truly is my last post...I just had to add that. Any other hunters should chime in with their opinions.
 
Open minds.. come on now... I think I'm the one with the open mind saying that I'd not go out and do this myself but if someone finds it sporting to do so I'm not going to bash them for it... especially if the can do it ethically...

I don't expect anyone to love it... or hate it... or to go out and want to get the equipment to attempt it...

Simply that these people obviously enjoy it... and that they are equipped and have the personal know how to do it... so why is it so wrong.

Maybe wrong for someone who goes out there with a 30-06 and has never shot over 100 yards... but that is not what happened in the video.

I mean put any scenario in play and say 99 out of 100 could not do it... but why bash that 1 that can... it just seems silly to be so upset about someone who can actually do something... as opposed to saying... "Seemed like a nice shot, and obviously they were equipped to make such a long shot... but this is not something for the average user to try ... be ethical in your hunting and know your equipment and your personal limitations."
 
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Well, I'm done with this. I know there are others who agree with me and feel passionately about it. I didn't say anything about bows and arrows, but if you want to say that, fine. I don't know why you can't see the difference, but ok.

I mean, honestly, what do you want me to say? "It is great for the sport, I can't believe the shot that guy made. I am going to get a setup like that too. I bet he could've stretched to 1200 yards on an elk." Nope, not me. I don't like it and that's my belief. What, condone me for not liking something? I thought we were supposed to have really open minds here. You are right, everything is ok and I concede.

Well, peace be with you. I promise I will not post on this again. Enjoy your discussion.
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It is interesting that you accuse the people on the other side of this conversation of being closed minded. Like I said I would not attempt a shot like this, but who am I to judge someone else for it? If he can shoot that well *consistently* are you being any more open-minded by saying what he should or should not do? If you don't like shooting beyond a given range then don't. I don't think it is reasonable to tell someone else that they should limit themselves to your capabilities/comfort zone though.
 
I’m gonna go make some popcorn, and sit back and watch this unfold. I hope at some point someone will determine how far is too far and what type of tools we can use to hunt with.
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That is appalling. I'll be sure never to be that much of an idiot,
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How is that fun and/or sporting in any way, shape, or form?
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You are damn right I don't see this as ethical. Even though this particular situation worked out, if you don't see the problem then it's not ME who is out of line here.
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And, for the win:

I thought we were supposed to have really open minds here.
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....Out of the same guy's mouth, even...

Weird. :D

-Sam
 
I bet those guys taking that shot have put more rounds down range at that distance than most weekend warriors do in a lifetime.
The guys who buy a box of cheap shells and go site in at 100yds max and say 4" is good then buy another box of premium ammo and don't verify zero then as said before, use the trajectory table on the box to wound at 500yds are what is appalling. Some so called hunters don't even site their own rifles in and rely on some guy doing a bore site at the gun shop.
Primitive weapons hunters have some of the same issues when they shoot a few arrows before season and push the distance in the field, same with ML shooters who don't know their guns trajectory.
I cant stand to watch some of the Tv shows that have feeders buzzing and deer comming on the run, the fact is some things that are held as ethical and time honored in some states are criminal in others, dog hunters abhor bait hunters, buckskinners can't stand inliners with scopes, longbow guys look down their noses at modern archers.
Show me that these particular hunters have shot game they didn't recover and that the rate is higher than any other type of respected hunting and I will listen. Until then get off the soap boxes, AFAIC if you put the time in and know your equipment and can put the shot on target it and enjoy the sport within the law, go for it.
 
One more thing. Keep in mind I was talking about hunting. It is something called reality. I don't care what people were trained to do. Hunting is something more than that. Can any of you really see yourselves making a 1000 yard shot on a STATIONARY bear? This truly is my last post...I just had to add that. Any other hunters should chime in with their opinions.
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Projection. If I had the skills, equipment, and desire, I would have no problem making 1,000 yard shot on a stationary bear. Whatever emotional reason you have for hating this is just that, emotional.

You can clearly hear the guys in the video doing the math to dial in the shot correctly and it worked. If only most hunters making a shot at 60 yards bothered to have half the preparation.

Naysayers in this thread need to stop projecting their inability or lack of desire for this in a negative fashion on these obviously awesome marksman/hunters. There are enough people out there completely against hunting period for this "hen circle" to be justified attacking one small segment of hunting (long range). If you aren't interested in this sort of thing fine, but appalling. Hardly.
 
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