10mm 1911 or 10mm Glock?

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I'm looking at getting something in 10mm, the round has always kind of intrigued me for some reason, and this would be my first one. Between the two, is a 10mm 1911 or Glock 20 the better choice? I have a Glock 21 and a Colt Commander, and like both platforms in 45 ACP, but having never fired one I don't know which gun is better suited to the 10mm. I've heard that the Glock will handle the hot loads better(of course;)) but that's all the information I've ever gotten. Any suggestions?
 
1911 will be heavier and may handle recoil better. Glock will have better capacity. Glock will definitely be cheaper. I favor glocks so that would be my choice. Its really up to you and what platform you are more comfortable with.
 
My smaller than most hand size doesn't fit well with the larger caliber Glocks, so I would opt for something in a M1911 design. Go with whatever gun feels the best to you.
 
I have a 1006 and a Glock 20 and a mess of 1911's.

They all are my range favorites. I would NOT say the Glock handles the recoil the best, and it's certainly not the most accurate - but fill the mag with some "crisply" loaded 135gr HP's, shot through a 6.2" extended barrel and you should be able to make it to the safe to get your AR.

Really, whichever platform you prefer. I actual like feel of the S&W 1006 the best. Serious piece of steel. The sights are old fashioned and little funky, but that gun runs smooth.

1911 is my favorite all time hand gun. I just like them. All the newest models handle 10mm with ease.

The Glock needs the next step up in recoil spring for hot loads. Especially with the 6.2" LW barrel. I have not chronographed the velocity, but I think it's significant with the extra barrel length. And that is what's cool about the Glock - do so many things with it. I even have a .357Sig barrel for my G20!

One thing the 10mm isn't - some kind of miracle round. And the recoil isn't nearly as bad as some folks say. Sometimes these things get overblown.
 
Glocks and 1911's are my favorites. If you want 1911, then get it in 45. 1911's in other chamberings don't always work out as well, especailly 10mm. The Glock and S&W 1006 series were designed from the ground up as 10mm and are the only 2 semi's in that chambering that have proven up to the task.

What do you plan to do with it? For SD or range use a 45 is as good or better. My G-20 is my hiking/camping/outdoors gun. It serves that role well, and is where the 10mm really shines. I load mine with 200 gr DoubleTap ammo that I've chronographed at 1315 fps from my gun. That is about the same power level as the hottest 357 mag loads when fired from a 6" or longer barrel. The G-20 is about the same length as a 3" revolver and will easily beat 357 loads with barrels that short.

And it is closer to 44 mag than many realise, or will admit. Most of the magnum revolver loads you see published are from 8" test barrels. When fired from 3-4" barrels in real guns that people actually carrry they are not nearly as impressive. Double tap shows a 240 gr 44 mag load at 1500 fps, but when fired from a 3-4" barrel it MIGHT be at 1200 fps. Most standard factory 240 gr factory loads struggle to make 1,000 fps from 4" barrels in 44 mag.

A G-20 beside a 3" 629 for size comparison. The 44 from 3" barrels will be just slightly more powerful

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A 240 gr 44 mag @ 950-1200 fps isn't that big a step up, if any, over a 200 gr bullet @1300 fps. If you choose to carry a 44 with a 6-8" barrel then you do have a big advantage, but I'd just as carry a rifle as an 8" handgun.

Don't let anyone tell you a Glock isn't accurate. If they do, what they really mean is that they have never developed the skills to shoot a Glock. A Glock is just as acccrate as a standard out of the box 1911. A 1911 can be made as a target gun with a slightly better trigger, but most standard out of hte box 1911's are no more accurate and have the same 5-6 lb trigger as a Glock.

Typical 50' Glock shooting.

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The Glock 20's biggest disadvantage is the large grip that some just cannot handle. But if you already have a G-21 and are used to it then you won't have any problems. The wide, fat grip and grip angle of the Glock really spread out the recoil over a large portion of your hand. To me the Glock, even with the hottest loads is more comfortable than my 1911's in 45. The 1911's are heavier, but the narrow grip concentrates the recoil into a smaller portion of my hand. Neither are bad, and are certainly softer than magnum revolver recoil.
 
I have five 10mm's at present:

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My overall favorite: S&W 1006. Accurate, reliable in the extreme, aesthetically pleasing, hell-for-stout.

Best target gun: Tie between the Kimber Stainless Target II and the Witness Limited. Both are extremely accurate and pleasant to fire. The Limited is a little more exotic and has much higher capacity, but it's also not a 1911.

Social work: I sometimes carry theG20, but the witness Compact does concealeasier, and still has 11+1 round capacity.

Field use: The G20 is the obvious choice, with it's 15+1 capacity and being just a Glock (I don't care if it gets beat up). I used to carry the 1006 when hunting, but it's an out of production gun in VG condition, so I'd rather not trash the finish.
 
Seeing as I already have a G21, what would I need to convert it to fire 10mm? My understanding is that I need a slide, barrel, magazines, and a heavier recoil spring. Am I missing anything?
 
G21 converted to 10mm: I think you just need a barrel and mag. Worked fine in mine. Borrow someone's G20 barrel/mag and try it. It probably isn't supposed to, but the G21 extractor reaches over far enough to extract the 10mm, and no ill effects result.
 
Two schools of thought here. I like to consider myself both a Glock man and a 1911 man. If it's going to be a self defense/camping/woods gun - go Glock. Reliability beats all, if you drop it in the mud or if it hasn't been cleaned in a while, it'll still take down the bear that's coming after you.

However, if you're going to take good care of it, get it treated (1911 treated with Cerakote is one of the finest handguns in existence, in my subjective opinion), keep it clean, keep an eye on the recoil spring, then 1911 is definitely the way to go.

edit: I forgot to mention, the G20 is great but the G20 SF (small frame) is AMAZING in the hand.
 
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I've got tens of thousands of rounds through my aluminum frame 10mm commander. Don't let anyone tell you a 10mm 1911 won't last.

I don't like plastic frame guns, so 1911s only for me. I'd choose a 10mm 1911 over a Glock.
 
Storm Lake conversion barrel, 6", 10mm mags, 10mm extractor, and a new Wolff recoil spring; just do it right the first time. Need some help just PM me.
 
I only have 4 but find the 1006 having the worst trigger of all. It is also rock solid and handles any 10mm easily. The others are also stellar and I wouldn't let any one of them go.
 
Glock for capacity (duh), reliability, durability, corrosion resistance, and recoil management.

1911 for accuracy, trigger, panache, ergonomics.

There is no wrong answer. The correct answer is whatever fits your budget and and set of preferences. The alternate correct answer is one of each.
 
I'm looking at getting something in 10mm, the round has always kind of intrigued me for some reason, and this would be my first one. Between the two, is a 10mm 1911 or Glock 20 the better choice? I have a Glock 21 and a Colt Commander, and like both platforms in 45 ACP, but having never fired one I don't know which gun is better suited to the 10mm. I've heard that the Glock will handle the hot loads better(of course;)) but that's all the information I've ever gotten. Any suggestions?
I found the Glock 20 too big in the grip and top heavy balance, while the Delta Elite is awfully heavy for a single stack, as well as very expensive.

I opted for the steel full-size Witness, which has a modern design, great balance and grip, big magazine capacity and excellent accuracy for half the price of the Delta. Sometimes it does pay to look outside of the box created by what 'everybody' uses.

IMHO
 
The glock is the cheapest option especially if you buy a conversion barrel.
OtHer than that do you prefer a 1911 or glock
 
I own a Gen4 G20 and have to say I like it over any of my other Hand guns.
I have shot the 1911's and really dont care for it all that much. Still a Glock fan. Best solution is find someone who owns one and try it out at the range.
Bust of luck on your choice.
 
You ought to try holding one of the Glock SF models. The slimmer grip makes the glock 10mm a much more attractive gun in terms of comfort. I've got a Glock 20c and a 29sf, one of which is always on me when I'm at the farm. I actually prefer the larger grip, but I've got pretty big hands. The SF is more comfortable for most folks that have shot with me though. All that being said, the Delta Elite is high on my list because frankly its just an awesome looking weapon.

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I have a Gen3 20. Love that gun. One of the best things about it is that you can get a LWD 10-40 conversion barrel for it and shoot 40 S&W through it with only a barrel change.

I go from cheap 40S&W cast lead reloads to the ultimate blaster (IMO) in less than a minute.
 
If you plan to shoot a lot of full-power ammunition, go with the Glock.

The 1911 is a fine pistol, but it's not an exceptionally strong pistol. It was designed around the pressures and recoil forces generated by the .45 Auto cartridge, and the relatively tiny radial upper barrel lugs take a pounding, even if all three are bearing the brunt equally...which isn't usually the case with mass-produced pistols.

With any tilt-barrel system, the barrel engages vertically and locks horizontally when the gun fires, with the lugs in opposition under a shearing force.

The 1911's upper lugs engage between 10 and 2 O'Clock, and the vertical dept is reduced because of the tilt with each successive lug. If the rear lug has 100% vertical engagement, the next one has about 90% and the third one about 80%. So, surface area is lost in two planes. Horizontally, the first lug has 10 and 2...the 2nd lug roughly 10:30 and 1:30...and the third maybe 11 and 1.

The Glock's single, massive upper lug is always engaged, and it spreads out the impulse instead of focusing it on a narrow area.

A quick story:

A few years back, a guy was having a little feed/RTB issue with an Ed Brown pistol. He made the call and got Ed on the phone. Naturally, the question of ammunition came up.

Ed asked, and "Joe" replied:

200-grain Hornady XTP loaded to 950 fps.

Ed's response was:

"Whoa, man! You're gonna break my gun!"
 
If you plan to shoot a lot of full-power ammunition, go with the Glock.

The 1911 is a fine pistol, but it's not an exceptionally strong pistol. It was designed around the pressures and recoil forces generated by the .45 Auto cartridge, and the relatively tiny radial upper barrel lugs take a pounding, even if all three are bearing the brunt equally...which isn't usually the case with mass-produced pistols.

With any tilt-barrel system, the barrel engages vertically and locks horizontally when the gun fires, with the lugs in opposition under a shearing force.

The 1911's upper lugs engage between 10 and 2 O'Clock, and the vertical depth is reduced because of the tilt with each successive lug. If the rear lug has 100% vertical engagement, the next one has about 90% and the third one about 80%. So, surface area is lost in two planes. Horizontally, the first lug has 10 and 2...the 2nd lug roughly 10:30 and 1:30...and the third maybe 11 and 1.

The Glock's single, massive upper lug is always engaged, and it spreads out the impulse instead of focusing it on a narrow area.

A quick story:

A few years back, a guy was having a little feed/RTB issue with an Ed Brown pistol. He made the call and got Ed on the phone. Naturally, the question of ammunition came up.

Ed asked, and "Joe" replied:

200-grain Hornady XTP loaded to 950 fps.

Ed's response was:

"Whoa, man! You're gonna break my gun!"
 
Thought MachIVshooter's assessment of the options pretty much nailed it ...

For a street-ready, all-steel duty/carry gun, in 10mm, you can't top the 5" 1006, or it's 4.25" "Commander"-sized equivalents, the 1066 & 1076.

My own fixed-sight 1006, w/ 9+1 capacity, is a super-built beast that is accurate and durable and will handle any 10mm load out there - from whichever end of the power curve you load it up with.

If you want to ditch weight for capacity and concealability in an effective EDC set-up, then the Glock 29 is really the logical choice, since you get 10+1 capacity in a handier, lighter package.

The G20 (w/ 15+1 payload ) would be your choice for carrying in rural areas, extended hiking or camping in the woods, or excursions deep-into-the-boonies where any 4-legged predators might lurk (assuming you can't take/don't have a rifle).

My custom Delta has the slim-packing 1911 form and it is very accurate. For me it's had all-around uses, but lately its main use has been for testing the accuracy of reloads.

Hard to go wrong on these choices ... although the Tanfoglio-made 10mm Witness Limiteds have received positive feedback - unlike their average base 10mm Witnesses, about which there've been a fair numerious reports of frame-cracking, followed by sub-par & snotty customer service from EAA (Tanfoglio's importer) ...

... Just sayin' :scrutiny:
 
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