WestKentucky
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Because the 10mm version should be adequate for full power 40sw loads.If you are just going to shoot reduced handloads, why not get a 40 S&W?
Because the 10mm version should be adequate for full power 40sw loads.If you are just going to shoot reduced handloads, why not get a 40 S&W?
I remember some years ago they performed a torture test on the original 9mm carbine. Over 30,000 rounds as I recall. I remember being impressed for a low cost carbine.They rate it to +p which is arbitrary, but that’s not the point. It’s still a blowback 10mm. Even if it holds the pressure of the shot, the action on the gun is going to take a beating with each shot. The gun, if ran “hot” starts battering itself to bits as the springs weaken then your still going to see an action failure. Remember the quality of gun your looking at too. The majority of the gun is plastic with stamped steel bits in the right places. You probably will not be able to see damage like you would on a steel gun where discoloring and galling happen either, so it will be difficult to assess the “health” of the gun. It will go til it blows... be careful.
Not to sound negative towards the gun, I’m not. I do have interest in it and may very well buy one, but the materials used and the hi-point mechanism are not a good fit for a gun that powerful. It will have power or longevity, but not both. If I buy one it will get hand loaded ammo just strong enough to reliably cycle it. And the stamped steel dust cover will be off of it regularly to inspect it internally.
That torture test is what convinced me to buy the 995 about 10 years ago. That doesn't change the materials, or design of the gun, but they are bumping up the pressure significantly. Lengthening the action, increasing the sliding weight, and increasing spring rate will help it a lot, but we are still at a point where the recoil impulse is huge and the action is a blowback. Those should never mix. I will look at the gun and handle one, but I seriously doubt that they found a way for it to still be fun to shoot while overcoming the other issues.I remember some years ago they performed a torture test on the original 9mm carbine. Over 30,000 rounds as I recall. I remember being impressed for a low cost carbine.
I would shoot an elk with a 10mm if it was all I had and I was starving to death but that's about it. I wouldn't intentionally hunt them with standard weight bullets in the .44/.45 either. The 10mm is already smaller than the .44Mag by a good margin. Because it's an autoloader cartridge and must feed from a magazine, it's also limited in its nose shape so it can't use the wide WFN's a .44/.45 can. Elk aren't bulletproof but they are very tough critters and can take a lot of killing. It's an honor and a privilege to be able to hunt them, they deserve the quickest death we can give them.I've seen chrono results for the 10mm pushing a 220 gr hardcast at nearly 1300 fps from a 16 inch barrel. That is pretty close to the standard .44 Mag load pushing a 240 gr bullet at 1400 fps from a service revolver. I've thought about possibly getting a MecTech conversion for my Glock 20. Adding another 200 to 300 fps to the already potent 10mm, with the right bullet, makes it suitable for anything up to and including elk.
Elk aren't bulletproof. If you put a hole through their lungs, they die. For generations they were hunted with lever action carbines shooting blackpowder pistol cartridges like the .38-40, .44-40, and .45 Colt. Now all the sudden we are supposed to believe that they require a .338 Earsplitten Loudenboomer? Not buyin it...
Keep in mind you need the right bullet. The 10mm Auto from a handgun is capable of launching most .40 cal bullets at or near their max velocity threshold because they were intended for the .40 S&W. You can't just add more velocity and expect good things to happen because you suddenly have some arbitrary amount of energy. I would stick to something pretty heavy and tough--that 180 gr Trophy Bonded JSP from Federal or a 200 gr XTP or Nosler JHP from Double Tap or Underwood for expanding, or one of the heavy hard casts.
Because the 10mm version should be adequate for full power 40sw loads.
He has to be nuts !There is a guy, Razor Dobbs, that has a show on One of the outdoor channels. Admittedly, he’s a bit on the “crazy” side, but that’s what makes him entertaining. He has recorded two or three kills of Cape Buffalo with his 10mm pistol. (Dan Wesson I believe.)
I am not an African hunter, but I do know how dangerous these animals are. In know way is it advisable to do so, but it does show the potential of this cartridge.
Wyman
Guys with the Hi-Point 10mm carbine soon to hit the market, I'm thinking on buying one due to the low cost.
What is the largest game animal you all would hunt with a 10mm carbine?
a bear brown or black one but not a grizzly not enough hammer down to stop it