10mm Carbine Hunting?

[WestKentucky]

If you are just going to shoot reduced handloads, why not get a 40 S&W?

Because the 10mm version should be adequate for full power 40sw loads.

 

[Charliefrank]

They rate it to +p which is arbitrary, but that’s not the point. It’s still a blowback 10mm. Even if it holds the pressure of the shot, the action on the gun is going to take a beating with each shot. The gun, if ran “hot” starts battering itself to bits as the springs weaken then your still going to see an action failure. Remember the quality of gun your looking at too. The majority of the gun is plastic with stamped steel bits in the right places. You probably will not be able to see damage like you would on a steel gun where discoloring and galling happen either, so it will be difficult to assess the “health” of the gun. It will go til it blows... be careful.

Not to sound negative towards the gun, I’m not. I do have interest in it and may very well buy one, but the materials used and the hi-point mechanism are not a good fit for a gun that powerful. It will have power or longevity, but not both. If I buy one it will get hand loaded ammo just strong enough to reliably cycle it. And the stamped steel dust cover will be off of it regularly to inspect it internally.

I remember some years ago they performed a torture test on the original 9mm carbine. Over 30,000 rounds as I recall. I remember being impressed for a low cost carbine.

 

[WestKentucky]

I remember some years ago they performed a torture test on the original 9mm carbine. Over 30,000 rounds as I recall. I remember being impressed for a low cost carbine.

That torture test is what convinced me to buy the 995 about 10 years ago. That doesn't change the materials, or design of the gun, but they are bumping up the pressure significantly. Lengthening the action, increasing the sliding weight, and increasing spring rate will help it a lot, but we are still at a point where the recoil impulse is huge and the action is a blowback. Those should never mix. I will look at the gun and handle one, but I seriously doubt that they found a way for it to still be fun to shoot while overcoming the other issues.

 

[CraigC]

What we really need in a 10mm carbine is the 10mmMag with better bullets in the 200-260gr range.

I've seen chrono results for the 10mm pushing a 220 gr hardcast at nearly 1300 fps from a 16 inch barrel. That is pretty close to the standard .44 Mag load pushing a 240 gr bullet at 1400 fps from a service revolver. I've thought about possibly getting a MecTech conversion for my Glock 20. Adding another 200 to 300 fps to the already potent 10mm, with the right bullet, makes it suitable for anything up to and including elk.

Elk aren't bulletproof. If you put a hole through their lungs, they die. For generations they were hunted with lever action carbines shooting blackpowder pistol cartridges like the .38-40, .44-40, and .45 Colt. Now all the sudden we are supposed to believe that they require a .338 Earsplitten Loudenboomer? Not buyin it...

Keep in mind you need the right bullet. The 10mm Auto from a handgun is capable of launching most .40 cal bullets at or near their max velocity threshold because they were intended for the .40 S&W. You can't just add more velocity and expect good things to happen because you suddenly have some arbitrary amount of energy. I would stick to something pretty heavy and tough--that 180 gr Trophy Bonded JSP from Federal or a 200 gr XTP or Nosler JHP from Double Tap or Underwood for expanding, or one of the heavy hard casts.

I would shoot an elk with a 10mm if it was all I had and I was starving to death but that's about it. I wouldn't intentionally hunt them with standard weight bullets in the .44/.45 either. The 10mm is already smaller than the .44Mag by a good margin. Because it's an autoloader cartridge and must feed from a magazine, it's also limited in its nose shape so it can't use the wide WFN's a .44/.45 can. Elk aren't bulletproof but they are very tough critters and can take a lot of killing. It's an honor and a privilege to be able to hunt them, they deserve the quickest death we can give them.

 

[Merle1]

Because the 10mm version should be adequate for full power 40sw loads.

and so is the 40 S&W version.

 

[Buckeye63]

I like mine .. Feeds 40 S&W just fine .
I have run quite a bit of standard pressure 10mm loads and some Underwood 200gr FMJ and some UW SD loads 180gr GD ..
Seems accurate... And has 100 % with whatever I have run through it ..
Id say it would make a good hawg gun

And a great home defense carbine

 

[JWF III]

There is a guy, Razor Dobbs, that has a show on One of the outdoor channels. Admittedly, he’s a bit on the “crazy” side, but that’s what makes him entertaining. He has recorded two or three kills of Cape Buffalo with his 10mm pistol. (Dan Wesson I believe.)

I am not an African hunter, but I do know how dangerous these animals are. In know way is it advisable to do so, but it does show the potential of this cartridge.

Wyman

 

[Buckeye63]

There is a guy, Razor Dobbs, that has a show on One of the outdoor channels. Admittedly, he’s a bit on the “crazy” side, but that’s what makes him entertaining. He has recorded two or three kills of Cape Buffalo with his 10mm pistol. (Dan Wesson I believe.)

I am not an African hunter, but I do know how dangerous these animals are. In know way is it advisable to do so, but it does show the potential of this cartridge.

Wyman

He has to be nuts !

 

[someguy2800]

I read an article about that. I would have no doubts that it could get enough penetration to kill it, but I would be pretty skeptical as to whether it would die fast enough for me not to be stomped to death.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Guys with the Hi-Point 10mm carbine soon to hit the market, I'm thinking on buying one due to the low cost.

What is the largest game animal you all would hunt with a 10mm carbine?

a bear brown or black one but not a grizzly not enough hammer down to stop it

I'm going to respond to both of these at the same time.

There are a few guys up here in AK who carry 10mm Glocks for bear defense. (Brown bears.)

The thing about 10mm (at least what is generally acknowledged by the guys I've met who use them for bear defense) is that none of the commercial loading are adequate. To really ring the most stopping power and energy from 10mm, you really have to reload. (And that goes for the "Buffalo Bore" ammo as well-err so I'm told.)

If you're going to hunt with 10mm factory ammo, consider yourself to be hunting with a 40 S&W +P.

Now then, as to what can you hunt, I'd say up to and including a moose IF you keep your shots under 100 yrds (learn the drop of your projectile) AND you make darn certain you can put your projectile in the vital zone before every shot. (I think that's the key to any caliber.) 44 magnum handloads from a 20" carbine is my moose cartridge. It's a great brush buster and, with hard cast lead has terrific penetration. Handloaded, full power 10mm might be second to a 44 in that application.

The last thing I would comment on is you mentioned the term "Hi-Point." Without getting into a peeing contest over budget guns vs high end guns, I think you should at least ask the question: "How will a High-Point hold up to really hot, handloaded 10mm?" Because, as I mentioned earlier, if you're shooting store-bought, you may as well get a 40 cal Glock.

 

[Buckeye63]

they are different levels of 10mm .... But all of that aside ..I don't have to worry about brown bears ...
They are big black bears in my parts .. But still Im more concerned with two legged predators..
10mm with the when loaded to its full potential is between a 357 mag and 41 mag ... Which maks it a powerful semiauto round ,They are alot of more knowledgeable people than me carry a Glock 20 stoked with 220gr hardcast for bear defense...
For my use the 10mm makes a good two legged predator defense... As I said , they are no brown bears in my woods ...
As for the hi-point.. Only time will tell if it can hold up ... Who knows ..?
I didn't buy it for bear defense... Its setting over in the corner loaded with UW 200gr XTP ...

A nice review

 

[CraigC]

Deer-sized game is where the 10mm applies. I certainly would not shoot a moose with one unless I was fully in-tune with the gun and could take a perfect broadside shot with one of the 220-230gr hardcast loads and avoid the on-side shoulder. Strictly very short range, well under 50yds. Would rather have a +300gr .44 or .45 at a minimum.

 

[Blue Brick]

Nothing wrong with a Hi Point carbine.

 

[Buckeye63]

I certainly like mine ... Its been great and fun !!!
My 995 (9mm carbine) was a great firearm ... Thousands of rounds ...,
My brother accidentally backed over it in his truck .. Breaking the stock .. Bending the barrel and action .
I sent it to Hipoint.... They removed my serial number plate ( I imagine) and placed it on a new carbine.. Sent it to me with 2 free magazines .. No charge

 

[IdaD]

It seems to me that there are a lot more suitable rounds for hunting than 10mm. Even if you're in a state that requires straight walled pistol cartridges I'd much rather have a 44. If you're not in a restricted case there are lots of centerfire rifle cartridges that are a lot better suited for hunting.

I don't see much appeal to using marginal rounds for hunting purposes. They provide less margin for error and increase the odds that you lose the animal and/or cause more suffering than is necessary.

 

[Buckeye63]

Id like to see Ruger reintroduce their 44mag levergun and 44mag semiauto carbines !

 

[someguy2800]

I do think a 10mm would be suitable with the right bullet out to about 50 or 75 yards. My choice would probably be a 200 grain flat nose hard cast driven as fast as I could get it going. If I was limited to a pistol cartridge though I'd much rather have a 44 mag henry single shot, for deer hunting, which is similar in cost, and about twice as powerful.

There is no way I would trust my deer season to a hi point, and yes I owned one in 9mm and liked it. The sights/optics mounting is the Achilles heel of that design. If you really study the design the rear sight rail is basically attached to the stock, not the receiver or barrel. Mine would change POI if you pushed or bumped the scope with your hand, and it would not return to zero after taking the cover off to clean it. They are fun plinkers, but not up to snuff in the quality of build or robustness for me to stake my deer season on.

 

[Buckeye63]

I really like the peep sights that come with the Hipoint carbines ... I feel if a person was going to scope one .. Id order a aftermarket alumium rail .. I have seen them on ebay ..
As for dependabity, I honestly have never had a semiauto centerfire or rimfire rifle or carbine more dependable... than any Hipoint that I have owned ... That includes any SKS , AKs , AR's or Remingtons I have owned ...
Hipoints blowback system with the telescoping bolt ( like UZI) is just about fool proof & their use of single stack magazines...
Reason I purchased the 1095TS is for range fun and HD & varmits .. I have it loaded with Underwood 180gr GD or Underwood 200gr XTP ....
I have taken several deer with the 357mag with a Puma 16inch barrel levergun , useing 158gr JSP ... from distances from 50 to close to 100yds ..
with zero problems...
If I took my 1095TS (IF) deer hunting I'd go with Underwood penetrator ammo .... Or Underwood hardcast ...
After see the results with the 357mag in a carbine .. I would feel comfortable..... But I have better tools in the shed ...



This is a link showing quality 10mm out of a carbine
Underwood 220gr hardcast over 64" of penetration through ballistic gel ..