I Have Beretta 9mms and HK .40's and want to add a Colt Delta 10mm or a Colt or Ithaca .45 to my collection. What is everyones thoughts as to which I should get next for .
10mm or .45 auto ???
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What would be your intended purpose for the peice?
CCW, Plinking, Target, etc?
If you plan on shooting it a lot, 10mm is pricey. If you reload that will help some.
My personal preference would be for .45, especially since you don't have one yet.
CCW, Plinking, Target, etc?
If you plan on shooting it a lot, 10mm is pricey. If you reload that will help some.
My personal preference would be for .45, especially since you don't have one yet.
10mm is probably better if you reload. It's more versatile.
45 is probably better if you don't reload. It's easier to find, and cheaper to buy.
45 is probably better if you don't reload. It's easier to find, and cheaper to buy.
Here's a link to some tests of doubletap ammo, compare the .45 and 10mm results yourself: http://www.10mmtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=1393
As you can see they are very similar. The 10mm has less bullet drop at longer ranges, .45 has less snappy recoil. Neither one is a bad-guy death ray. The big point against 10mm, as others mentioned, is that 10mm is expensive.
Find a range that rents both, try them out and see what you like
As you can see they are very similar. The 10mm has less bullet drop at longer ranges, .45 has less snappy recoil. Neither one is a bad-guy death ray. The big point against 10mm, as others mentioned, is that 10mm is expensive.
Find a range that rents both, try them out and see what you like
If you go with the 10mm you can join the fairly exclusive club of 10mm owners the can appreciate the intrinsic accuracy and power of the round. You also get to sit on the fence during the 9mm vs. 45 debates and say, "mine is more powerful yours". You also get to enjoy the 357 mag guys saying theirs is just as good, while the 45+p+ guys say they are just as powerful etc etc etc.
Now go with the 45 you can have what most folks have and it is a good round. Very accurate, reliable and just like a lot of other folks shoot. You get to participate in the hole 9mm vs. 45 debates, can complain about how unweidly the 10mm is and why would any one want a gun that powerful. etc. etc. etc.
Me, I am a 10mm fan. I like the power, accuracy and reliablitly of the 10mm. I still shoot the 45 so I can fit in with the masses though because sometimes the blast of a 10mm on the range is really annoying.
Your money, your choices.
Now go with the 45 you can have what most folks have and it is a good round. Very accurate, reliable and just like a lot of other folks shoot. You get to participate in the hole 9mm vs. 45 debates, can complain about how unweidly the 10mm is and why would any one want a gun that powerful. etc. etc. etc.
Me, I am a 10mm fan. I like the power, accuracy and reliablitly of the 10mm. I still shoot the 45 so I can fit in with the masses though because sometimes the blast of a 10mm on the range is really annoying.
Your money, your choices.
Peter M. Eick said:
I couldn't have said it much better myself! Yuppers, kid! The 10mm is the greatest! It puts the "mine is more powerful than yours" war to rest. The 10mm outclasses them all. Accuracy with the 10mm is a given. There's no more to be said on that subject. The versatility of the round is matchless. You can do ANYTHING with the 10mm auto that you can do with the 9mm, .38 S&W Special, .40 S&W , .45 ACP, .357 Sig, .38 Super, .357 S&W Magnum and .44 S&W Special. The others will simply have to get over it!
.BTW, I still shoot the .44 S&W Special, .45 ACP and the .38 S&W Special/.357 S&W Magnum. (So that I can "fit in," of course!)
Scott
I'm torn between the two calibers. I don't reload so I shoot more 45 due to cost of ammo. The 10mm is more fun though.
They both certainly have their place.
Neither is inherantly more accurate than the other, as far as I can tell, and I have enough of both and am familiar enough with them both to make the comparison.
10mm and .41 mag are my favorite calibers, and they are both enthusiast (Reloader's) calibers.
One reason I can tolerate the .40 is because it makes 10mm reloading component bullets easier to find.
I'm down to 6 .45 caliber pistols, 3 of which I won't part company with as long as the good Lord gives me breath.
I still have a dozen or so 10mm guns, and they are all keepers.
I've been selling off some of my collection, and I seem to keep my .41s and 10mm pistols, for some reason.
Get them both.
If you know what will make you happy, and don't do it....
Well, then if you're unhappy, it's all your fault.
Neither is inherantly more accurate than the other, as far as I can tell, and I have enough of both and am familiar enough with them both to make the comparison.
10mm and .41 mag are my favorite calibers, and they are both enthusiast (Reloader's) calibers.
One reason I can tolerate the .40 is because it makes 10mm reloading component bullets easier to find.
I'm down to 6 .45 caliber pistols, 3 of which I won't part company with as long as the good Lord gives me breath.
I still have a dozen or so 10mm guns, and they are all keepers.
I've been selling off some of my collection, and I seem to keep my .41s and 10mm pistols, for some reason.
Get them both.
If you know what will make you happy, and don't do it....
Well, then if you're unhappy, it's all your fault.
Definitely one of both.
Or maybe two of both.
[Disclaimer: six of both currently in the gunsafe, or scattered in pieces on the workbench.]
Or maybe two of both.
[Disclaimer: six of both currently in the gunsafe, or scattered in pieces on the workbench.]
I have multiple Colts in both flavors, but seriously, the .45 is much more practical than the 10. Those who are power freaks cannot seriously claim that a 10mm has anything to offer once a big magnum revolver in a caliber-that-starts-with-4 is brought into the conversation.
If I were only going to have one Colt auto, it would be a .45. Your MMV.
If I were only going to have one Colt auto, it would be a .45. Your MMV.
Don't get me wrong, I love the old .45, but down range, when that fat old round is about to run out of gas, the 10mm is still running about the muzzle velocity of the .45
My applications may be different from yours. There's a lot of room to shoot in Wyoming!!
My applications may be different from yours. There's a lot of room to shoot in Wyoming!!
Another vote for the 10mm as the winner in the fun and versatility departments. My personal favorate auto cartridge.
That said I would also add a 45 someday. A classic gun and a classic cartridge that has stood the test of time for a reason. It has a lot going for it.
That said I would also add a 45 someday. A classic gun and a classic cartridge that has stood the test of time for a reason. It has a lot going for it.
10mm definitely
10mm is an extremely amusing round. Shooting it always brings a big ol grin.
Ammo is a harder to come by, but the Georgia Arms stuff is excellent and reasonably priced
$9.50 per box for the cast lead.
10mm is an extremely amusing round. Shooting it always brings a big ol grin.
Ammo is a harder to come by, but the Georgia Arms stuff is excellent and reasonably priced
$9.50 per box for the cast lead.
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I have 3 10mm's and 5 .45's and I love 'em all. However, I find 10mm to be a more useful round. It more potent than the hottest +P+ .45 and boasts greater magazine capacity. With the fastest loads, it is legal for big game here in CO. It will penetrate deeper than any other autopistol cartridge (excluding off numbers like 9mm win mag, etc.). But if I didn't handload, I might be singing a different tune (near-full-power factory 10mm is very expensive).
Anyway, I vote 10mm. But you may consider a Kimber or DW, as they are in current production.
Anyway, I vote 10mm. But you may consider a Kimber or DW, as they are in current production.
compelling arguments all around...
Say I get both? "Since I can't take the money with me." What would you recommend? WHich Style of Delta and why? Which Colt 45 auto and why?
Say I get both? "Since I can't take the money with me."
What would you recommend? WHich Style of Delta and why? Which Colt 45 auto and why?It's clearly 10mm for me. It really is not as expensive as it would seem. Although I plan to start reloading soon, I buy Miwall and HSM 10mm reloads for $90/500 and $75/500 respectively. That works out to be 15 cents a round, you don't see many .45 reloads that are cheaper, although they are out there. That is definitely in .45acp reload territory (bought reloads, not home reloads). Both of these are generally 180 gr. FMJ @ 1050 FPS for roughly 450 ft-lbs. of muzzle energy, well above almost all .40 S&W loads and at very safe pressure levels. There are only a few .40 loads that are more powerful than these low level 10mm loads. I don't usually like to follow the crowd and I love 10mm in that it is sort of like an exclusive club, when people talk trash about the 10mm and have never never held nor shot a 10mm, it just makes you chuckle inside. I also love that 10mm usually affords you 1-2 more rounds in capacity over .45 and the same capacity as .40's.
I know that when I start reloading (I've saved roughly 1500 spent 10mm casings now) I will really appreciate 10mm for its flexibility. I can run 135 gr. to 230 gr. projectiles, I don't know of another semi-auto pistol caliber with that much flexibility.
I know that when I start reloading (I've saved roughly 1500 spent 10mm casings now) I will really appreciate 10mm for its flexibility. I can run 135 gr. to 230 gr. projectiles, I don't know of another semi-auto pistol caliber with that much flexibility.
i'm trying to get this used glock 20 this weekend, i'm trading in my glock 21 plus a couple of dollars. i'm going to order the 180gr cjh 1350fps, 155gr 1475fps 750ft-lbs and the 200grjhp 1250fps 694ft-lbs from double tapp ammo. this type of selection plus more, is the ulitimate protection in my eyes.
Sell the .40 short & weaks, and get BOTH! Both are great rounds. 10mm was designed to replace the .45acp, and although it obviously has not, it does indeed do as was intended by having both more power AND more capacity than the .45, in a similarly-recoiling package.
But as mentioned, it's more expensive, and some say using an "oddball" round for self-defense could get you in trouble, in a marginal good-shoot, bad-shoot call, by an anti-gun DA who paints you as a "gun nut" who went out of his way to make sure he had a super-deadly gun to use, as you were just itching for an excuse to kill someone.
But as mentioned, it's more expensive, and some say using an "oddball" round for self-defense could get you in trouble, in a marginal good-shoot, bad-shoot call, by an anti-gun DA who paints you as a "gun nut" who went out of his way to make sure he had a super-deadly gun to use, as you were just itching for an excuse to kill someone.
Cheat,
Get an EAA Witness Match in 10mm with a .45 conversion kit and shoot both.
10mm, .45 and CZ form....what's not to like...?
Get an EAA Witness Match in 10mm with a .45 conversion kit and shoot both.
10mm, .45 and CZ form....what's not to like...?
wally
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If you reload, get the .45 unless you like chasing brass into the weeds. The 10mm has violent ejection, where I shoot I lose maybe 3% of .45 and find a dozen or so empties the guy before me left behind. With 10mm I'm thrilled to recover half the empties
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