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10mm Super Redhawk

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by sabbfan, Nov 9, 2017.

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  1. MachIVshooter

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    I love the 10mm, but IMO, so-chambering a revolver is just dumb. Basically taking a .357 magnum and eliminating the rim, making it a headache to use in wheelguns, and with thinner chamber walls to boot.

    That said, the SRH cylinder is long enough to ream it for 10mm Magnum, which does have some appeal in a wheelgun.
     
  2. MaxP

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    Well, I ordered one and intend on putting it through its paces. I actually think it's kinda cool.
     
  3. mcb

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    One thing rimless cartridges have going for them in a revolver is the moonclips for rimless revolvers are much more robust than those for rimmed cartridges. A 38/357 moonclip is only .020 - .025 inches thick where most 9mm, 40/10 and 45 moonclips are .035 - .040 inches thick. This make them much more robust and less prone to getting bent.

    I also find the rimless cartridges and moonclip are far less finicky about fitting together well. I can run random range pickup brass in my 625 and 610 but in my 627 I have bought specific brass for specific moonclips. Trying to run random 38/357 brass results in either very tight if not impossible to fill moonclips or round falling out of moonclips.

    If you want to run a moonclip fed revolver it's a whole lot easier with rimless cartridges in general.

    That said I would have much rather seen a GP100 in 10mm than a Super Redhawk. IMHO The only way the Redhawk makes sense is if they has run the chambers long for 10mm Magnum.
     
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  4. heyjoe

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    im not familiar with 10mm magnum. do you need to use moon clips in a revolver?
     
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    ALTDave answered the first part of your question, but I'm not sure how you mean your second question to be taken. If you mean do you need them specifically to run 10mm magnums in a revolver, then ignore the rest of my post.

    If you mean are moon clips required for any revolver the answer is no. Revolvers are meant to chamber revolver cartridges like 357 magnum, 44 Special, and 45 Colt, without the need for moon clips. However, some guns are cut to accept moon clips to aid in reload speed.

    In order to run rimless semi auto cartridges, you do have to use moon clips, otherwise the cartridges have no surface to headspace on, and will just fall through the chambers. There was a S&W revolver that was engineered to load and fire rimless semiauto cartridges, specifically the 9mm, but it involved some extra parts and a fancier extractor to allow for extraction with the ejector on rimless cartridges. Can't recall the model number. Hickok45 did a video about it.

    In reading your post again, I think you just meant are they required for running 10mm mags.
     
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  7. mcb

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    Nearly all modern rimless cartridge revolver will in fact will run just fine without moonclips. They head space off the case mouth just as they would in a semi-auto. Without the moonclips extraction will requires some extra effort, ie picking them out with your finger nail or using a rod of some type to pushing them out of the cylinder but they will head space just fine without the moonclip.

    Some of the early Colt 1917 would not head space 45 ACP correctly without the half moonclips or two cartridge clips (full did not exist then). All the 1917 S&W would and later Colt 1917 would. There are exception you will need the moonclip for head space shooting 40S&W in a S&W 610 or SRH. You need the moonclip shooting 45 GAP in a S&W 625. You need the moonclip shooting 45 ACP or GAP in S&W Governor. You need the moonclip to shoot 45 ACP in a RH 45ACP/45Colt.

    Rimmed cartridge revolvers cut for moonclips will head space correctly with or without the moonclip as they leave a raise area around the outside of the cylinder to allow for proper head space on the rim when the moonclip is not present.
     
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    I see what you are saying. Something like the S&W 625 that is designed to shoot 45 acp in fact has the chamber cut in order to headspace correctly on the case mouth. It's only a problem if trying to use short cartridges.
     
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    This is how rimless cartridges head space, off the case mouth. Single action revolvers do not require moon clips because they use a different method of extraction.
     
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    Most of the revolvers mentioned above are in fact double action though. I have a 610 and it will headspace 10mm just fine with or without moonclip. It works a heck of a lot better with the clips though.

    It has little to do with the action type.
     
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    i meant do you need moon clips specifically for the 10 mm magnum in a revolver. I was wondering if it was a rimmed cartridge like the 45 auto rim. My post was poorly written. Thank you for taking the time to answer.

    QUOTE="460Shooter, post: 10683879, member: 144044"]ALTDave answered the first part of your question, but I'm not sure how you mean your second question to be taken. If you mean do you need them specifically to run 10mm magnums in a revolver, then ignore the rest of my post.

    If you mean are moon clips required for any revolver the answer is no. Revolvers are meant to chamber revolver cartridges like 357 magnum, 44 Special, and 45 Colt, without the need for moon clips. However, some guns are cut to accept moon clips to aid in reload speed.

    In order to run rimless semi auto cartridges, you do have to use moon clips, otherwise the cartridges have no surface to headspace on, and will just fall through the chambers. There was a S&W revolver that was engineered to load and fire rimless semiauto cartridges, specifically the 9mm, but it involved some extra parts and a fancier extractor to allow for extraction with the ejector on rimless cartridges. Can't recall the model number. Hickok45 did a video about it.

    In reading your post again, I think you just meant are they required for running 10mm mags.[/QUOTE]
     
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    I understand what you are saying and I probably didn't phrase it well. What I meant was the moon clips are more for convenient extraction than anything else. I have a single action 10mm and no moon clips are needed as the extraction system does not grasp the case by the head.

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    I think the 1911 makes more sense in 10mm Auto than it does in .45 ACP. It could be carried or employed anywhere a .45 ACP Gov model is carried and gives you and extra round or two in the magazine, and a more capable round as well. For sure the 10mm Auto makes more sense in the 1911 than in the SRH. It is an auto cartridge, after all. Personally I prefer the Glock 20 over either.
     
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    Many of the DA revolvers chambered for semi-auto ammunition have chambers cut for the rounds to headspace on the case mouth just as they do in semi-auto handguns. The problem is extraction which is where the moon clips come in. Or you can use a pencil or some facsimile to pop out the rounds similar to the ejector rod on a SA revolver.

    There are a few revolvers that were designed with an extractor system that did not require moon clips. The S&W 547 was one. I believe Charter Arms has one as well, but Ive slept since I've seen that information. The S&W was fairly complicated and not a sales success.

    Finally, S&W revolvers over the years have been hit and miss on whether the chambers will headspace on the case mouth. I'm not sure it was poor quality control on S&W's part or by design. The revolvers with chambers that will not chamber on the case mouth need clips to allow the ammunition to fire properly.
     
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    Ah the 547 was the model.

    Ok, just so we're clear, I made a mistake earlier. I got confused regarding the headspacing on rimless cartridge revolvers. I was under the impression that they required moonclips to headspace properly.

    Subsequent posts have pointed out that the chambers on these guns are cut to, and do in fact headspace on the case mouth. Moon clips are only needed for efficient extraction.

    What I was thinking of was scenarios like shooting 40S&W through a S&W 610, or shooting a 45 GAP out of a S&W 625. In this situation, without moonclips the shorter cartridge would fall forward away from the blast shield and thus headspace incorrectly.

    Somehow, my mind mashed the ideas together and I was thinking that moonclips were needed to headspace properly with all rimless cartridge revolvers. Whoops.

    So I had the wrong idea and the gang here straightened me out. I learned!

    Hooray for me! Hooray for me THR!:D

    Ok, moving on.
     
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    Believe it or not, you can also shoot .40 S&W through a 610 at least with no moonclip. I tried this awhile back and found that if I tilted the barrel up before shooting the rounds would fire most of the time. It's not something I would recommend for regular use though.
     
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    Damit......
     
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    The real question you must ask is if you have a revolver that will accept moonclips is, why wouldn't you use them? MOONCLIPS RULE!
     
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    In fact you COULDN’T use moon clips in a SA revolver unless you remove the cylinder after each firing to swap clips, then reinsert it.
     
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    Sure you could - just get really big moon clips and clip half a dozen revolvers together for faster reloads.

    Gotta think outside the box.
     
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    I think people carrying a 10 mm 1911 would be so few in states without open carry that it shouldn't represent how such a gun was typically used or valued. I am seeing a range toy here or something for competition. I have had an ongoing interest in a 10mm Glock, very much preferring the price, but I am not sure what I would do with it, other than to experience it at the range for a bit and then sell it and the reloading stuff needed to support it. I already own a Glock 22 (40 S&W).
     
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    I don't see Ruger resurrecting the 10mmMag but you could have one rechambered. You could also load it with .41Mag brass, run through a 10mm carbide sizer die and have a .401Powermag. Of course, then you'd have a less effective .41Mag with pitiful bullet selection. ;)
     
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    No single action revolver, whether a rimmed cartridge or rimless, uses moon clips. Single action revolvers use an extractor rod that removes the cases by physically pushing out the cases one at a time.
     
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    Well... You'd be wrong about that...

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    I believe that may be a top break. You can tell because it, well, breaks open unlike a true single action.
     
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    duplicate post
     
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    Yup. A Schofield clone, SINGLE ACTION REVOLVER, which happens to be a top break instead of a gate load model. And your statement is still wrong...

     
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    Well, i think the srh is a great looking gun but for the handgun hunter its tops imho. If ya champion the redhawk youre just full of nonsense when u speak of weight bs a srh. The srh in same caliber and same barrel length is nearly always lighter so thats not based on fact. The srh is the easiest of the two to get a sweet tuned trigger or action on. Also with the integral scope rings its easy to switch from iron to red dot to scope and back without losing zero. Case in point africa in 2013 and 2015. I had iron night sights sighted for solids for camp duty. Heavy swifts sighted with a red dot for initial shot on cape buff and big game. Scope sighted with swift 265’s for a flat shooting plainsgame gun. Worked like a champ and the only revolver to capable if such. Yes the platform shines with 454, 480, and 44 mag but i just ordered one in 41 mag as i have it in the larger cals. The 10 makes great sense to me. Its a capable manstopper and a very very capable deer and even elk round. I know since ive done with my g20 on several occasions. With the srh you get a deer/elk capable gun with light recoil and perfect for new handgunhunters or females like my daughters. (I currently load their 44 mags to 10mm power levels and have been very effective on deer and bear) that is t loud, doesnt recoil and quite frankly i dont need to pull on ears to pop a shot at the available coyote when driving the ranch. With the available sighting options i struggle to see how it doesnt have its place, plus, u can load the 10mm to higher levels than in the semiautos. Imho it makes a ton of sense more than a 5” 460sw ever did. Great gun and good nightstand and hunting revolver, good for the truck as well.
     
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    You're both sort of speaking past each other. Single action or double action does not matter in determine if a particular cartridge revolver is compatible with or readily converted to moonclips. Side-gate loading is not compatible with moonclips. Most top-break and swing-out revolvers are or can be made compatible with moonclips. I am fairly certain sure I could find example of single-action, single/double-action and double-action only revolvers in all three loading styles.
     
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