stchman
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It's my understanding that 10mm Auto is about a rough equivalent on .357 Magnum.
10mm the equivalent of the 41 - sheer BUFFOONERY
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Pat Riot
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I have been curious about the 10mm for a while now. Mostly because I can carry more rounds in an autoloader than a revolver. I am a big fan of the .357 Magnum but wanted more rounds available in the woods.
Anyway, in researching the 10mm I saw many claims that seemed exaggerated and I came to the conclusion that the 10mm is similar to the .357 Magnum and not as powerful as so many claim, but it is a potent cartridge, from what I have read and looked at on my own via ballistics charts and such.
Yesterday I was at my local indoor range and asked if they had a 10mm pistol I could rent, hoping a Glock 20 was available. The kid behind the counter said they didn’t have a 10mm Glock but they had a 1911 based 10mm.
He asked what my attraction was to the Glock 20 and the 10mm and I said I have problems with my wrist. I want to compare recoil between the .357 and the 10mm in a semiautomatic so I can see if the action of the slide would bother my wrist.
Then he said some BUFFOONERY!
He said “Well, the 10mm is the equivalent of a .44 Magnum so if you can handle a .44 then you can handle the recoil of a 10mm as they are so close in power.”
I looked at the other guy behind the counter and he rolled his eyes, turned and walked away.
Rather than give a blow by blow on the rest of the conversation I will just say the kid had it in his head the 10mm was as powerful as the .44 Magnum and nothing I could say changed his mind.
“Buffoonery”. Good descriptor.
Anyway, in researching the 10mm I saw many claims that seemed exaggerated and I came to the conclusion that the 10mm is similar to the .357 Magnum and not as powerful as so many claim, but it is a potent cartridge, from what I have read and looked at on my own via ballistics charts and such.
Yesterday I was at my local indoor range and asked if they had a 10mm pistol I could rent, hoping a Glock 20 was available. The kid behind the counter said they didn’t have a 10mm Glock but they had a 1911 based 10mm.
He asked what my attraction was to the Glock 20 and the 10mm and I said I have problems with my wrist. I want to compare recoil between the .357 and the 10mm in a semiautomatic so I can see if the action of the slide would bother my wrist.
Then he said some BUFFOONERY!
He said “Well, the 10mm is the equivalent of a .44 Magnum so if you can handle a .44 then you can handle the recoil of a 10mm as they are so close in power.”
I looked at the other guy behind the counter and he rolled his eyes, turned and walked away.
Rather than give a blow by blow on the rest of the conversation I will just say the kid had it in his head the 10mm was as powerful as the .44 Magnum and nothing I could say changed his mind.
“Buffoonery”. Good descriptor.
General Geoff
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For me, 10mm is better than .41 mag because I can shoot .40S&W out of my Smith 610, sharing ammo with my .40 cal brass chuckers. Keeps my caliber footprint lower. Plus it reloads into the cylinder quicker than the longer rimmed magnum cartridges.
jhb
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I have been curious about the 10mm for a while now. Mostly because I can carry more rounds in an autoloader than a revolver. I am a big fan of the .357 Magnum but wanted more rounds available in the woods.
Anyway, in researching the 10mm I saw many claims that seemed exaggerated and I came to the conclusion that the 10mm is similar to the .357 Magnum and not as powerful as so many claim, but it is a potent cartridge, from what I have read and looked at on my own via ballistics charts and such.
Yesterday I was at my local indoor range and asked if they had a 10mm pistol I could rent, hoping a Glock 20 was available. The kid behind the counter said they didn’t have a 10mm Glock but they had a 1911 based 10mm.
He asked what my attraction was to the Glock 20 and the 10mm and I said I have problems with my wrist. I want to compare recoil between the .357 and the 10mm in a semiautomatic so I can see if the action of the slide would bother my wrist.
Then he said some BUFFOONERY!
He said “Well, the 10mm is the equivalent of a .44 Magnum so if you can handle a .44 then you can handle the recoil of a 10mm as they are so close in power.”
I looked at the other guy behind the counter and he rolled his eyes, turned and walked away.
Rather than give a blow by blow on the rest of the conversation I will just say the kid had it in his head the 10mm was as powerful as the .44 Magnum and nothing I could say changed his mind.
“Buffoonery”. Good descriptor.
someone somewhere on the internet said it so it has to be true.
10mm has become a victim of massive exaggeration in it's new found popularity.
ElGuero
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Agreed. Certainly the type of bullet used has to be taken into account. Higher velocity is important for expanding bullets, while “hard” cast bullets work well on deer at as little as 800-1000 FPS.
I have been curious about the 10mm for a while now. Mostly because I can carry more rounds in an autoloader than a revolver. I am a big fan of the .357 Magnum but wanted more rounds available in the woods.
Anyway, in researching the 10mm I saw many claims that seemed exaggerated and I came to the conclusion that the 10mm is similar to the .357 Magnum and not as powerful as so many claim, but it is a potent cartridge, from what I have read and looked at on my own via ballistics charts and such.
Yesterday I was at my local indoor range and asked if they had a 10mm pistol I could rent, hoping a Glock 20 was available. The kid behind the counter said they didn’t have a 10mm Glock but they had a 1911 based 10mm.
He asked what my attraction was to the Glock 20 and the 10mm and I said I have problems with my wrist. I want to compare recoil between the .357 and the 10mm in a semiautomatic so I can see if the action of the slide would bother my wrist.
Then he said some BUFFOONERY!
He said “Well, the 10mm is the equivalent of a .44 Magnum so if you can handle a .44 then you can handle the recoil of a 10mm as they are so close in power.”
I looked at the other guy behind the counter and he rolled his eyes, turned and walked away.
Rather than give a blow by blow on the rest of the conversation I will just say the kid had it in his head the 10mm was as powerful as the .44 Magnum and nothing I could say changed his mind.
“Buffoonery”. Good descriptor.
Go back with a piece of 10mm brass and a piece of .44 Mag brass. Hand them to the kid and have him explain how they can even be close.
Pat Riot
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adcoch1
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take a reloading manual with chamber pressure recorded too. Probably still won't convince him...That is a great idea. Thanks.
silvermane_1
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The 10mm isn't any where near as capable as the .41 Mag, but some factory loadings of each caliber are comparable and that's where the silly notion started that .41 Mag and 10 Auto are the "same level", they're not and well the 10mm IAI Mag would be more on par with being the "same level" as a .41 Mag.
If I'm allowed to cherry pick the load data I can show that the .40 S&W is just as powerful as the .44 Mag with the same bullet weight.
Seventhsword
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I like both, but carry my Glock 20 daily.
Comparisons of 10mm Auto with anything aside, *in my opinion* from observations I've made online for over 8 years or so, 10mm Auto is just about the only handgun cartridge I can think that has an 'aura'. Not sure what it is, but part of it is the very common use of the phrase "real 10mm" or "real Norma loads" and "those factory watered-down loads", and so on. But, in addition to these common phrases, there just seems to me to be a very special mystique about the cartridge bordering on Belief...I just don't see it with anything else. Rather, with classics such as the 44 Rem Mag, I see a huge 'respect' if you will--something like that yeah, it isn't the biggest and baddest available, but it still holds a very special place as a powerful (and very shootable) cartridge.
Now, as for comparisons, yeah, I'm sure I can either find a book max 10mm load (or tweak one up in the press) that manages to nip at the heels of a low-end published 41 Mag load, but that's about it. I'm pretty sure this doesn't matter for any practical purpose or argument. I can find plenty of published 10mm loads that are the total equivalent of published 357 loads (Hornady load manual comes to mind)...and it still doesn't matter, at least to me.
They are what they are...and while 10mm Auto is maybe my favorite auto pistol caliber, it sure isn't magical...but I think many would beg to differ. I think it's a wonderfully versatile and practical, and possibly optimum all-round auto cartridge...I love it. But I see no mystic aura.
...and I'm thinking he has probably never fired either. I would like to perform the comparison with a G29 and a Ruger SR Alaskan. With reasonable handloads in both, an *experienced* shooter will likely find the only similarity to be "tiger by the tail".
Now, as for comparisons, yeah, I'm sure I can either find a book max 10mm load (or tweak one up in the press) that manages to nip at the heels of a low-end published 41 Mag load, but that's about it. I'm pretty sure this doesn't matter for any practical purpose or argument. I can find plenty of published 10mm loads that are the total equivalent of published 357 loads (Hornady load manual comes to mind)...and it still doesn't matter, at least to me.
They are what they are...and while 10mm Auto is maybe my favorite auto pistol caliber, it sure isn't magical...but I think many would beg to differ. I think it's a wonderfully versatile and practical, and possibly optimum all-round auto cartridge...I love it. But I see no mystic aura.
...and I'm thinking he has probably never fired either. I would like to perform the comparison with a G29 and a Ruger SR Alaskan. With reasonable handloads in both, an *experienced* shooter will likely find the only similarity to be "tiger by the tail".
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jhb
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think some of this "mysticalness"( is that even a word?
) of 10mm came from fbi testing and them trying to issue it and some not being "able" to shoot it stories and they compromised to a 40 s&w. along with sheer shortages of 10mm pistols and the few who had them telling stories of power and glory etc. and well here we are.course I'm paraphrasing and badly but think makes my point.
I like to 10mm as an auto pistol round. one of my favorites and shoot alot of it. in revolvers with .357 mag, .41mag and .44mag already existing and for a long time...... I see little place for it. other than just cause......
...when I'm at the range with the 10 I get some reverence from other shooters--mostly impressed, I think, that I can afford to shoot 10mm at all (not knowing I'm shooting 8 cent a round handloads). But when I shoot the 44 Alaskan, I usually get at least 2 folks wanting to know "what the h&## is *THAT*?!?". Now that's what the important difference is--flash and blast. In fact, I've been thinking I need to load up some 44 with Longshot simply to impress the range babes. Oh wait, they're all old-fart geezers like me..
I would guess he was more likely talking about the old .41ae round instead of the .41 mag round. 10mm and .41ae are quite close in power and capabilities.
Sorry if this was said previously, I didn't read all seven pages.
I like both, but carry my Glock 20 daily.
Great carry choice!
When strolling through a bear-free urban jungle, carrying 16 10mm rounds is more advisable, but not near as gentlemanly or as sophisticated (as some will opine) as carrying 6 way more powerful .41 rounds.
I've never seen a grizzly in real life, I don't think--just black bear fairly regularly. But, I've seen photos of brown bear posed next to the hunters who have taken them, and my thoughts when folks talk about 'woods carry guns in grizzly country' go like this: god help you if the only weapon you can present in time is a handgun, and, even god can't help you if you brought less than a 44. Now, that's just me...I'm a bit of a wimp when it comes to these things. My personal preference for grizzly, if for some bizarre reason I had to shoot one, would be more like a 416 Rigby or better and from about 100 yds. They always seem fairly ornery.
They always seem fairly ornery.- Status
