stchman
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It's my understanding that 10mm Auto is about a rough equivalent on .357 Magnum.
I have been curious about the 10mm for a while now. Mostly because I can carry more rounds in an autoloader than a revolver. I am a big fan of the .357 Magnum but wanted more rounds available in the woods.
Anyway, in researching the 10mm I saw many claims that seemed exaggerated and I came to the conclusion that the 10mm is similar to the .357 Magnum and not as powerful as so many claim, but it is a potent cartridge, from what I have read and looked at on my own via ballistics charts and such.
Yesterday I was at my local indoor range and asked if they had a 10mm pistol I could rent, hoping a Glock 20 was available. The kid behind the counter said they didn’t have a 10mm Glock but they had a 1911 based 10mm.
He asked what my attraction was to the Glock 20 and the 10mm and I said I have problems with my wrist. I want to compare recoil between the .357 and the 10mm in a semiautomatic so I can see if the action of the slide would bother my wrist.
Then he said some BUFFOONERY!
He said “Well, the 10mm is the equivalent of a .44 Magnum so if you can handle a .44 then you can handle the recoil of a 10mm as they are so close in power.”
I looked at the other guy behind the counter and he rolled his eyes, turned and walked away.
Rather than give a blow by blow on the rest of the conversation I will just say the kid had it in his head the 10mm was as powerful as the .44 Magnum and nothing I could say changed his mind.
“Buffoonery”. Good descriptor.
I don't think either is sufficient by itself... nor even both together. Terminal ballistics at handgun-ish velocities is an extremely contentious subject, with lots of people making lots of absolute statements about things that are inherently grey/probabalistic. I don't think it's susceptible of being reduced to a single number.
I have been curious about the 10mm for a while now. Mostly because I can carry more rounds in an autoloader than a revolver. I am a big fan of the .357 Magnum but wanted more rounds available in the woods.
Anyway, in researching the 10mm I saw many claims that seemed exaggerated and I came to the conclusion that the 10mm is similar to the .357 Magnum and not as powerful as so many claim, but it is a potent cartridge, from what I have read and looked at on my own via ballistics charts and such.
Yesterday I was at my local indoor range and asked if they had a 10mm pistol I could rent, hoping a Glock 20 was available. The kid behind the counter said they didn’t have a 10mm Glock but they had a 1911 based 10mm.
He asked what my attraction was to the Glock 20 and the 10mm and I said I have problems with my wrist. I want to compare recoil between the .357 and the 10mm in a semiautomatic so I can see if the action of the slide would bother my wrist.
Then he said some BUFFOONERY!
He said “Well, the 10mm is the equivalent of a .44 Magnum so if you can handle a .44 then you can handle the recoil of a 10mm as they are so close in power.”
I looked at the other guy behind the counter and he rolled his eyes, turned and walked away.
Rather than give a blow by blow on the rest of the conversation I will just say the kid had it in his head the 10mm was as powerful as the .44 Magnum and nothing I could say changed his mind.
“Buffoonery”. Good descriptor.
Go back with a piece of 10mm brass and a piece of .44 Mag brass. Hand them to the kid and have him explain how they can even be close.
take a reloading manual with chamber pressure recorded too. Probably still won't convince him...That is a great idea. Thanks.
The 10mm isn't any where near as capable as the .41 Mag, but some factory loadings of each caliber are comparable and that's where the silly notion started that .41 Mag and 10 Auto are the "same level", they're not and well the 10mm IAI Mag would be more on par with being the "same level" as a .41 Mag.
“Well, the 10mm is the equivalent of a .44 Magnum so if you can handle a .44 then you can handle the recoil of a 10mm as they are so close in power.”
Comparisons of 10mm Auto with anything aside, *in my opinion* from observations I've made online for over 8 years or so, 10mm Auto is just about the only handgun cartridge I can think that has an 'aura'. Not sure what it is, but part of it is the very common use of the phrase "real 10mm" or "real Norma loads" and "those factory watered-down loads", and so on. But, in addition to these common phrases, there just seems to me to be a very special mystique about the cartridge bordering on Belief...I just don't see it with anything else. Rather, with classics such as the 44 Rem Mag, I see a huge 'respect' if you will--something like that yeah, it isn't the biggest and baddest available, but it still holds a very special place as a powerful (and very shootable) cartridge.
Now, as for comparisons, yeah, I'm sure I can either find a book max 10mm load (or tweak one up in the press) that manages to nip at the heels of a low-end published 41 Mag load, but that's about it. I'm pretty sure this doesn't matter for any practical purpose or argument. I can find plenty of published 10mm loads that are the total equivalent of published 357 loads (Hornady load manual comes to mind)...and it still doesn't matter, at least to me.
They are what they are...and while 10mm Auto is maybe my favorite auto pistol caliber, I certain it isn't magic...although apparent many would beg to differ.
I’ve read some who advocate the Glock 19 as a carry gun in grizzly country. Their principle thesis is that quantity is more important than quality. Or as the Russians say: “quantity has as a quality all of its own”.
Guys, I was minding my own business while listening to the Military Arms Channel when low and behold I heard Tim utter sheer nonsense. He was reviewing Ruger’s new 10mm revolver when he spoke the indefensible, claiming the 10mm to be EQUIVALENT to the 41 mag ... in some form or fashion.
Tim, if you’re out there, there’s no world in which the 10mm is in the same league as the 41, let alone equivalent to the 41. As a matter of fact Tim, the 10mm would have trouble matching the 357 both with full house loads.
But I searched and this nonsense is replete on the internet. Where did this come from?
I like both, but carry my Glock 20 daily.
Sounds like the kid I had trying to tell me that the .308 can shoot anything the 30-06 farther with less recoil.
someone somewhere on the internet said it so it has to be true.
10mm has become a victim of massive exaggeration in it's new found popularity.