12 Gauge Slugs for Bear Defense? Here's an ammo review you'll want to watch!

[BrobeeBiter]

Happy New Year Everyone!

Furthering my ongoing YouTube series of 12 gauge shotgun ammo testing, I just finished editing my first gelatin review of a rifled slug: Winchester's SuperX Hollow Point Rifled Slug.

http://youtu.be/FKge3FF0Hx4

What made me start with this particular slug is a close range encounter I had with a large black bear where I put 3 of these slugs (with perfect placement) into his front shoulder he was turning towards me, but after gutting and skinning him I was shocked to find that only one of them had made it into the vitals, and just barely.

Subsequently I did the big science project on shotgun slugs and definitely found some better performers, and now that I've got my YouTube channel up and running I'm re-doing a bunch of these tests for the camera so that others might also benefit. This video's the first one, and I've got another three slug reviews I'm still working on getting edited, so stay tuned!

Thanks for watching and your feedback!

Cheers,

Brobee

 

[huntershooter]

The Brenneke "Rottweil" slugs have always been my preference.

 

[plumberroy]

Brenneke dixie terminators or roll your own I trust foster more than sabots brenneke short mags are my choice for store bought slug on anything that may fight back
Roy

 

[Mike1234567]

I'm about to watch this video after I post this.

Is the DDupleks Monolit32 still available? I'd be very interested to see a penetration test with that round.

 

[BrobeeBiter]

I have a brenneke review already filmed, just need to finish editing it. They are great slugs.

 

[27hand]

I'm going to try some Rem copper solids tomorrow AM if I find a suicidal doe hanging around.

 

[MCgunner]

Foster slugs probably have a lower sectional density than a round ball, though I've never thought to look, and they're soft. I'm not surprised that they didn't penetrate well.

I'll watch your vid now.

 

[MCgunner]

As I expected, but thanks for proving my past opinions of foster slugs. I have gotten into a few arguments over whether they're the cat's meow in Alaska for bear defense. Some think they're just sort of .460 Weatherby solids, never figured out how they got that idea, though. Logically, they'll do about what they did.

Brenneke's should perform better I'm betting. I never really worried about it as I don't hunt bigger non-feathered game with shotguns and ain't no bears in south Texas. I did kill a nice buck the other day with my 20 gauge from about 35 yards using 3 buck. Head shot. Shot placement is the key, there. First I've ever shot anything bigger than a sandhill crane with a shotgun. Shotguns are nothing if not versatile.

 

[loose noose]

Very interesting their Brobee, looking forward to some more testing, where did you get the gelatin cubes?

 

[Inebriated]

Haven't watched the video yet, but I've been subbed for a while. I really like your channel, didn't know you were on THR.

 

[Torian]

The Brenneke "Rottweil" slugs have always been my preference.

I also like their short magnum Special Forces slugs.

http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/special_forces_short_magnum.html

Here's a great vid showing how slugs penetrate various types of barriers. They review some of my favorite Brenneke slugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrhpAZoiqxE

 

[Tony_the_tiger]

Havn't checked the thread yet but I'd wager that Brenekke Classic Magnums will penetrate well.

 

[Jason_W]

Great video. It mirrors my experience with fosters as well.

I found that 3" remington sluggers break apart into lead shards when they hit a gel block at close range.

 

[plumberroy]

Posts: 771 Quote:
Originally Posted by huntershooter
The Brenneke "Rottweil" slugs have always been my preference.

I also like their short magnum Special Forces slugs

If you read benneke's FAQ this slug and the slug sold as Heavy field magnum are the same slug just different coating and box

I.M.H.O. It is the best slug made that works in a smoothbore out of a rifled barrel dixie terminators would be my chioce .
I do not know of a sabot I would trust against dangerous game
By the way the preformance of the foster slug in the video is about perfect for deer sized thin skin game what the slugs are designed for
Roy

 

[tiamat]

loose noose Very interesting their Brobee, looking forward to some more testing, where did you get the gelatin cubes?

He's making them himself. See: Shotgun Ballistics Gelatin and Patterning Testing - Protocol??

 

[BrobeeBiter]

Here's the first follow up video in my series of slug reviews;

Federal's Premium TruBall Deep Penetrator 1oz 12ga Rifled Slug.

http://youtu.be/zAq5jNBrRbw

Time to get to work on my next episode: the famous BRENNEKE!

Thanks for all the feedback, and thanks for watching.

Cheers,

Brobee

 

[plumberroy]

that there was interesting thanks

 

[Mike1234567]

I'm interested to see how Federal TruBall compares to Brenneke Black Magic.

 

[336A]

Here is a test of the Black Magic for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRHmDaDnwDU

 

[Mike1234567]

^^^ That's a good video. I'm still anxious to see what BrobeeBiter does to test the Black Magic rounds. I'm hoping he duplicates the tests, as closely as he's able, for each round to be compared. Will the Brenneke penetrate the ordnance gelatin as deeply as the Federal? How will the the recovered slugs compare? It would be great to also see these compared shooting through several layers of wood, steel, auto safety glass and a really huge piece of pork shoulder.

 

[torqem]

Is the jello 10%, held at 38+F degrees? Is is calibrated with the BB gun (chronograph the BB gun?) If not, it might as well be mud, as far as it relates to proper testing. I am not impressed with how the 10% jello does, since live animal tests have proven that the jello expands bullets much better than vital organ tissue does. The lungs are just air sacks, ya know.

 

[d2wing]

In slugs I like Winchester sabot slugs for deer, for bear I would think the premium with higher velocity and the copper jacket would give more penetration. I am interested in the results.
A study by Alaska DNR concluded the best for Brown bear as a emergency stopper was a 30-06 with good bullets or a very large magnum. Tough heavy bullets pushed at highest velocities. Killing power is penetration, energy, bullet performance (dumping energy in the vitals, and mst of all, shot placement. A shotgun is a handy pointing device with the right slugs.

 

[Inebriated]

In slugs I like Winchester sabot slugs for deer, for bear I would think the premium with higher velocity and the copper jacket would give more penetration. I am interested in the results.
A study by Alaska DNR concluded the best for Brown bear as a emergency stopper was a 30-06 with good bullets or a very large magnum. Tough heavy bullets pushed at highest velocities. Killing power is penetration, energy, bullet performance (dumping energy in the vitals, and mst of all, shot placement. A shotgun is a handy pointing device with the right slugs.

Off topic, but do you have a link to that study? I've had an '06 brush gun project going for a bit.

 

[Fred Fuller]

I had what I think is the study in question bookmarked at http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152, but it seems to have gone poof. I'll look around and see if I can find it elsewhere...

ETA: Try http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf - why it's different I don't know, but that one works.

 

[Inebriated]

I had what I think is the study in question bookmarked at http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152, but it seems to have gone poof. I'll look around and see if I can find it elsewhere...

ETA: Try http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf - why it's different I don't know, but that one works.

Excellent report, thanks for taking the time to find it. I'm nowhere near big griz, but good information nonetheless.