124gr cjm rn for 9mm

[rex9mm]

Hi guys, I am a virgin to reloading.

I just got myself a press and everything needed to load 9mm for my Beretta elite (92fs). I have purchased frontier 124gr cmj RN for 9mm. But i seem to have a problem, i cannot find reload info on these, if i go to hodgdon website reload data, the only powder I see which is actually good for 9mm 124gr would be WSF. Am i doing something wrong? has anyone ever loading these things? or did i just buy suicide bullets?



124 GR. FMJ Winchester WSF .355" 1.169" 4.7 1015 27,700 PSI 5.3 1115 32,700 psi
124 GR. LEAD RN Winchester WSF .355" 1.169" 4.0 945 22,200 PSI 4.7 1055 27,300 PSI


thanks!

 

[ants]

Welcome to the forum, rex9mm.

If those are copper plated (Copper Metal Jacket is often used to describe copper plated bullets) each manufacturer has a recommendation on how to use load data. Rainier says to use lead bullet data, Xtreme and Berry's say to use jacketed bullet data but don't exceed 1200 feet per second (use mid level loads). If those are Montana Gold plated bullets or some other manufacturer, check with the manufacturer. If you have no other information, it can't hurt to use lead data as your default.

If those are actually jacketed round nose bullets, use FMJ data. Full Metal Jacket bullets have exposed lead at the base (look at the bottom of the bullet). A few FMJ bullets have a copper cap over the exposed lead, but that will be obvious, and only a few manufacturers do that.

 

[Walkalong]

It does not have to be 124 Gr data. 125 Gr data will work just fine. Plenty of powders work real well in 9MM. WSF, as you posted, is a real good one, as is N330, AA #5, Silhouette, Unique, Universal Clays, SR-4756, True Blue, etc. I really like N320 or 700X for lighter loads, and N340 is really hard to beat for overall performance with 124/125 Gr plated or jacketed bullets.

Link to some plated data. Be patient, some of the links are slow to load.

Welcome to THR.

 

[rex9mm]

thanks guys for the response.

I have looked at the manufacturers website, and they are CMJ complete Metal jackets (no exposed lead at the bottom.

I just came back from the store and bought unique smokeless powder (thats all they had left) is this good for 124gr 9mm? does anyone have load data for this? because my Lee reloading book does not mention this powder for 124gr 9mm.. And again i ask, since it is complete metal jacket should i use FMJ data? As I said I never reloaded, and i do not want to make a mistake... thanks guys and appreciate your patience..

 

[oneounceload]

Googling Alliant Powder, you'll find that they have a listing for Speer 124 GDHP using Unique and CCI500 primers

 

[cheygriz]

I use the load data for 124/125 jacketed for the plated bullets.

IME, HS-6 and AAC#7 are hard to beat for this bullet weight.

 

[ants]

True Complete Metal Jacket is an FMJ with a cap on the base. So you use fmj data. Who is the manufacturer?

 

[troda]

Frontiers cmj is a plated. If you go on the website they have load data for what they sell.

 

[rex9mm]

Troda


When you say plated, do I have to use copper plated data loads? Or fmj loads? I agree they are plated, but they are electomagnetically plated, so I'm assuming it is a very thin coat of plating....

 

[rex9mm]

Chrony question

Guys, let's say if I buy a crony, and I am not sure as to if I am using the wright load data for my cmj bullets , will the chrony tell me the bullets pressure that I am shooting? Or can this be done only using a formula with the exact bullet specs?

How do you suggest I proceed? I have contacted frontier bullets and they told me to use fmj copper plated load data, what throws me off here is that in my reload manual "lee modern reload" the load data is significantly higher for copper plated , than of jacketed (fmj). Seems like I am turning in circles.

 

[shu]

Nobody's said this yet, so I will.

Not to be snarky about it, but if you don't have at least one good comprehensive reloading book then you do not have (as in yr original post) "everything needed to load."

(I presume you do not yet have a book, since in yr o.p. you say you went to Hodgen's web site for data.)

My starter book was Speer #13. Hornady, Lee, and others are out there.

No, they aint paperback price. Yes, the back 90% of the book is load data and nearly all of that will be for cartridges you dont reload and therefore mostly valueless to you.

But you dont buy the book for that. You get it for the front 10% that covers general procedures, types of primers, types of powders, types of bullets, etc.

I get value even from the descriptions and load data for cartridges I do not reload, which I browse through from time to time. How does 9mm Luger compare to 9mm Kurtz, 357sig, and 38 super for example?

Stay safe. Good to have you.

-shu

 

[rex9mm]

If you re-look at my previous post you would see that I have the lee modern reload book! You don't know me but I never do anything half arse, I have also purchase a digital caliper and a digital scale besides for the one that comes with my turrent lee press. This is why I ask all these questions, to be well informed and not make any mistakes..

But I do appreciate your recommendation!!

 

[shu]

My bad.

Getting lazy in my old age and just spot reading.

I have been reloading about 10 yrs, do mostly pistol (9mm, 38spl, 357mag, 357sig, 45acp, 45colt), shoot 100-200 rounds a month, and enjoy just poking around trying different powders and bullets.

Sadly, the chronograph will give almost no comfort about pressure in the chamber and barrel. For that we need some serious engineering test equipment.

We can get to the same exit velocity with a massive pressure spike and a coast down the barrel, or a nice even constant pressure push.

First thing I did with the chronograph is get drawn in to looking for loads with decently high velocity and the best standard deviation. My first chronograph did not hold a string history. I had to down the pistol, pick up a pen, and write down the velocity after each shot. Trying to collect both chronograph data and group size in the same string was just not working.

I was using plated bullets at the time - soft lead, form by swaging, with a thin copper wash or electroplate to keep the lead from vaporizing or melting. Getting some really nice standard deviations . Then I went to check for group size. They were all over the map. I backed off the velocity and the group sizes improved greatly.

Am into hardcast lead bullets now - mostly Oregon Trail - and like them alot. Better velocities than soft lead and plated, less expensive than copper jacketed, not much barrel leading problem.

I start with low end data for copper jacketed bullets of the same weight and bullet profile (contact area with barrel), and push them until either the group size starts to deteriorate or I reach max powder charge specified for jacketed.

- shu

 

[oneounceload]

If you re-look at my previous post you would see that I have the lee modern reload book

The reloading books from the bullet makers will give you data for THEIR bullets as they tested them. The data from the powder makers will give you the data for whatever bullets they chose to test their powder with. Lee does not make bullets or powders and just reprints some data. If you are going to shoot one of the major bullet maker's bullets, having their manual would be a good investment.

If Frontier does not provide data (and most smaller companies do not), then decide what powder you want to use and go to the powder maker's site.

 

[rfwobbly]

The Frontier web page gives loading data for these bullets....

http://www.frontierbullets.co.za/cmj.htm

 

[gmbmesa]

hi guys!
Having a hard time finding load data for my Frontier 124 gr 9mm CMJ's and Vitavhouri 3N37 powder. Has anyone tried this combination? I've looked around and saw some data for these bullets but not the powder. I have the newest manual but it does not show what I have. On VV website, it shows to load 124 gr FMJ-RN at 5.2gr, but the manual I have says 3.2 with different powder, same manufacturer.