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12GA Rifle From HELL--

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by hubel458, Jan 23, 2006.

  1. madmike

    madmike Member

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    I was mistaking the size of 10 gauge as being near .88, for the Johnny Dangerously reference. Sorry for the confusion.
     
  2. danurve

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    Ahh you beat me too it!
     
  3. hubel458

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    only1-Yes the action could handle 500NE, 577NE, 600NE at top
    rifle pressure levels, where they are not loaded to right now
    in the guns they are used in,like doubles,It could handle
    full pressures in 500ASq,etc,It could handle Same pressure
    as I am doing now, 35,000, in the 700NE, which is what
    they load them, for doubles.
    Madmike-The 88 reference may be to the tank round, as
    when my gun is ready to go, I say to people to stand behind as
    it sounds like an 88.Ed.
     
  4. P95Carry

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    Ed - out of interest and if you are able to divulge - what charge of what powder??

    I am seeing this as not too different from an ''overgrown'' 45-70 with regard to long parallel case with heavy projectile atop. My top load 45-70's are probably pushing the upper 35,000 limit - I checked back thru the thread and seem to recall a mention of that same pressure figure with this beast - is that right?

    Seems this would require a pretty slow powder to safely accelerate the large pill. Energy figures seem to be around 50 BMG level.
     
  5. bowfin

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    When are you going to start on +P loads?
     
  6. hubel458

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    Bowfin--Rob does the P+ in the Borchardt which can handle
    60-70,000 psi loads.

    P95-- Yes we get BMG energy levels, only with a fatter
    bullet.Yes I use slow high energy ball powders.And stay
    below 35,000.Most loads less than 30,000, like with
    730gr hard lead slug and 320g of WC-860 surplus I get
    2400 fps,Same bullet with 320gr of AA Magpro gives
    2700 fps,for a 35k load.Now I could go to 3000 with W-760/W748, but pressures
    would be above what I wanted for the thickness of the action.
    If I can get heavy walled action done to put 3 lug bolt and
    parts that is in present Savage 210, into, then it could go to higher pressures-Ed.
     
  7. mustanger98

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    What I wonder is whether or not it would be safe to chamber this rifle in .50BMG. Would the pressure be too high in the Savage action?
     
  8. hubel458

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    Mustanger--It would do if you keep pressures down, but I
    don't know what powder.Maybe use charcoal.It would have to
    be much slower than Hogdons H50 BMG, which is the slowest
    I have,And you couldn't go below 90% case volume with powder fill
    trying to get lower velocities, as you risk detonation,
    a problem with part loads of slow powders.Sguib loads using
    AA 5744 might do but I am not brave enough to try, on that
    big of bottlenecked case.Ed.
     
  9. mustanger98

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    hubel458, I see what you're saying.

    Another possible issue would be whether or not a .50BMG could even be fed into the chamber without removing the bolt, but that's a small isssue, and a non-issue, if the rest of the load is unsafe.

    Much as I like to handload, I may be crazy according to some people I know, but I ain't stupid. I think I'll let this one alone. Now, to fire it as a 12guage slug in that modified .50BMG case looks rather tame.
     
  10. hubel458

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    Mustanger98--Yep 50 cal isn't the end all anymore,
    but when you can take 12ga lead slugs and get same power,now that is special.And I know a few with the 700NE fever,that
    see our old Savage as a way to get there.Especially those
    guys doing their own work..Ed.
     
  11. bowfin

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    I can't wait until Smith & Wesson comes out with it in revolver form!:)
     
  12. nfl1990

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    Don't worry they will.

    Have you tried any buckshot loads in that yet?
     
  13. MDG1976

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    But is it more powerful than the .45 ACP?
     
  14. Fire4Effect

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    Nice work... I'll keep that in mind if I ever need some anti-aircraft rounds... :evil:
     
  15. hubel458

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    nfl1990--I've got to get some big shot cups and buckshot,
    next week hopefully, and see how it works.Ed.
     
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    Thx for load feedback Ed - hmmmm - 22 loads to the # - this thing is a real powder burner!:eek: :).

    Outstanding.
     
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    Yeah... just showing off the shell would be enough for surrender, or cause instant cardiac arrest!!! :what: :what:


    Great for small game, if you only intend to taxi the FEET!!! :neener: :D
     
  18. mustanger98

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    I know that had to be a joke because as an anti-aircraft deal, this being single shot, it'd have the same problem as a Barrett .50BMG. Keep up that kind of talk and you'll have the gun grabbers after this one too.
     
  19. madmike

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    No the .88 magnum was in the movie Johnny Dangerously, with several jokes about extreme firepower.
     
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    Whatever you do, don't add a pistol grip or a threaded muzzle-I want this to be CALIFORNIA LEGAL!!!!! :evil:


    I think we can end the debate over "Best one shot stopper". Can anyone say, "DNA remains testing"? :what: :D
     
  21. mrmeval

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    What does it take machine wise to build something like that? A friend has been entertained by this thread for the past week and really wants it.
    ;-)


     
  22. hubel458

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    Mrmevel--Lathe to thread barrel, shape barrel, mill to
    open the loading port for more length and level bottom of reciever to fit a steel recoil block that I put in the stock, adding extra lug on barrel for recoil or use a barrel band for recoil - tools for inleting stock(there is no stock you can buy to fit,and light plastic one it comes with won't work), grinders,etc.Ed.
     
  23. hubel458

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    Recovered one of the Dixie 730 gr slugs stopped by
    4 ft of hardwood in a bundle.It was turned into a lump
    but still had 81% of original weight..Great way to
    transfer all the energy into the target.Ed.
     
  24. Spiggy

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    Ok, you know what, I'm sure everyone here agrees when I say...

    WE WANT A MOVIE CLIP!!! :D
     
  25. taralon

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    hubel458,

    Pardon a question from a newbie to the board (thank madmike for crossposting a linke to this) but what is the case volume for this monster?

     

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