147gr JHP at 1,000fps

[alzo]

I am trying to work up a load using Zero 147gr JHP’s to replicate the standard pressure 147gr HST. I would prefer to stay at standard pressure if possible, and within “book” max loads. I have tried N340, Silhouette, and True Blue. From a 4 inch barrel, I am getting:

4.3gr N340: 960fps

5.5gr Silhouette: 1,038fps (+P)

5.5gr True Blue: 980fps (+P)


Silhouette gives the lowest SD I have achieved with any powder. The only thing that concerns me about it is that I am at the top of Ramshot’s +P range.

I was thinking of trying BE-86 or N350 next. Given the above, would they be good choices to get to 1,000fps at standard pressure, or is there a better option I should consider? Thanks.

 

[LiveLife]

Zero 147gr JHP ... 1,000 fps at standard pressure ... 4 inch barrel

My recommendation would be BE-86. Here's Speer load data - https://www.speer-ammo.com/download...m_caliber_355-366_dia/9mm_Luger__147_rev1.pdf

• 9mm 147 gr Gold Dot HP BE-86 OAL 1.130" Start 4.5 gr (936 fps) - Max 5.1 gr (1027 fps)

And here's Alliant load data with 4" barrel - https://www.alliantpowder.com/reloa...wderlist.aspx&type=1&powderid=38&cartridge=23

• 9mm 147 gr JHP BE-86 COL 1.120" Max 5.1 gr (1,020 fps)

 

[fxvr5]

And the obvious question is: What do you get when using the standard pressure load for Silhouette (5.2 gr)?

And by the way, the Western data is for a Remington GS, and the Zero is a different bullet, and it might not be safe to assume they produce the same pressure.

 

[Walkalong]

Agreed, the GS is a bore riding design that will give less pressure than the Zero seated to the same depth.

 

[alzo]

I have brought that same question up with Western at least twice, but they keep referring me to the GS data.

5.2gr Silhouette gave me 990fps. This is the load I settled on when I still had Silhouette. It was close enough.

BTW, when I chrono the HST’s, they come in at 1014fps.

 

[Dudedog]

Never used any but VV lists some impressive vels with 3N38
No idea if real world vels with 3N38 are close to what they list or not
Curious if anyone has results using 3N38.

 

[fxvr5]

What gun are you shooting them from? Does the barrel chamber offer good case support?

 

[alzo]

Folks, I appreciate all of the replies, but I feel they aren’t answering my question. I’m just wondering if N350 or BE-86 might be good choices to achieve my objectives. I know what the manufacturers’ data say. It has been my experience that manufacturers’ data is always optimistic when it comes to velocity. So I was hoping someone with experience with N350 or BE-86 might chime in with real world data.

3N38 seems like it would do it, but I’ve heard it produces considerably more recoil, and N350 seemed like it might be enough (and 3N38 a bit too much).

The gun is a Wilson EDC X9. Yes, it offers full chamber support of the case.

 

[fxvr5]

5.1 grains of BE-86 under a 147 grain Speer TMJ bullet at 1.130" OAL produced 1019 fps from my 4" barrel.

6.9 grains of 3N38 under a 147 grain Hornady XTP at 1.142" OAL produced 1103 fps from my 4" barrel.

High speed bullets come at a cost of more recoil. Simple physics. "Too much" differs from one person to another.

I don't think you have a reason to worry about putting +P ammo through your Wilson if it offers full case support.

 

[alzo]

Thanks for the data points. It looks like Alliant’s BE-86 data is pretty to close yours and others’ actual results.

 

[mrawesome22-250]

5.0gr BE-86 under a 147gr XTP at 1.100" OAL averages 1063fps out of my Glock 19 4" barrel.

Outstanding accuracy also.

 

[Dudedog]

6.9 grains of 3N38 under a 147 grain Hornady XTP at 1.142" OAL produced 1103 fps from my 4" barrel.

Thanks for the #s for 3N38.
Looking at VVs data always made me curious as they showed a MAX of 1200 with a 147 and no other powders in 9mm come close to that, so it made me wonder if 1200 was a real world number.
Logic would say if you can get 1200 with a 147 in 9 (real world) that other companies would make a powder to do it as well. (one would think there would be a demand for such a powder)

 

[LiveLife]

Looking at VVs data always made me curious as they showed a MAX of 1200 with a 147 and no other powders in 9mm come close to that, so it made me wonder if 1200 was a real world number.

Logic would say if you can get 1200 with a 147 in 9 (real world) that other companies would make a powder to do it as well. (one would think there would be a demand for such a powder)

I would like to see chamber pressure measurements compared to US load data. I think they could be loaded higher than standard pressures likely around +P.

 

[fxvr5]

I would like to see chamber pressure measurements compared to US load data. I think they could be loaded higher than standard pressures likely around +P.

CIP Pmax for 9mm is 2350 bar = 34,084 psi. But CIP and SAAMI usually place the sensor at different locations.

 

[BC17A]

Thanks for the data points. It looks like Alliant’s BE-86 data is pretty to close yours and others’ actual results.

Take a look at reply #69 (half way down the page) in this thread from the 10mm forum. His testing showed 5.4 grains of BE-86 duplicates the factory HST load. Although over the Alliant max of 5.1, the OAL is .040"-.060" longer so likely within standard pressures.

 

[alzo]

I was able to find a pound of BE-86 locally. I loaded up some test rounds and was able to chrono them today. These are all using Zero’s 147gr JHP loaded to 1.112”. Temperature was 55 deg F. Barrel length is 4 inches. In case anyone is interested, here’s how they came out.



4.5gr 938fps SD = 5.72 ES = 20.2



4.7gr 958fps SD = 14.56 ES = 50.1



4.9gr 990fps SD = 10.45 ES = 39



5.1gr 1,018fps SD = 15.63 ES = 65.3