Name That Powder

[Potatohead]

As some may know, I've been compiling powder lists. Has anyone used any besides these for loading 9mm? If so, I'd like to add them to my Word file. Also, do any of these not belong on the 9mm list? (I'm not sure about the "dots"-red, green, etc)..Thanks in advance..Tater

VIHTAVOURI: n320, n340, n330, n350, 3n37

WINCHESTER: wsf, auto comp, 231,

IMR: 800-x, sr4756, pb, 700-x, sr7625

HODGDON: hs-6, universal, hp-38, titegroup, clays, longshot,

ALLIANT: be 86, bullseye, power pistol, unique, american select, promo, herco

ACCURATE: #7, #5, #2, nitro, solo1000, competition

RAMSHOT: true blue, silhouette, zip,

I've looked all of these up but please let me know if I have any under the wrong brand name (or any other mistakes). Thanks again.

 

[mike.h]

is this what you are looking for:http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

 

[Potatohead]

Thanks. I did use that some. Just didn't know if their were others I'm missing.

 

[Tolkachi Robotnik]

The Dots do work.

In older data especially there is data for all three. Blue Dot maybe out of favor lately, but there is some data around for that too.

 

[Hummer70]

Try this site for propellant burn rate comparisons:



http://home.hiwaay.net/~stargate/powder/powder.htm

 

[Jim Watson]

There is some use of WST in 9mm P, although it is like clays, marginally fast for the job.

There are several Vihtavouri powders for 9mm, too.

 

[Potatohead]

Awesome. Oh yea...thanks , I forgot about the vhitavouri

 

[Potatohead]

Thanks for the chart.


Someone mentioned the other day, but I didnt write it down-what numbers on the chart are "generally" for 9mm? 10-67 ?

 

[Walkalong]

http://www.hodgdon.com/burn-rate.html

Anything from 1 to 58 could be used, but many won't be optimal. Anything from about 30 to 45 could be very good for jacketed bullets at full power, with some of those being better than others.

The faster powders for lighter recoil, slower loads, and the slower ones for full power.

The work is already done for you. Between burn rate charts and powder manuals, what else is there to note?

 

[Robert101]

Hi Tater,
If you are looking for burn rates and appropriate powders for 9MM, look no further than a good reloading manual like Speer, Sierra, Hornady, etc. When I read your initial post I thought, "here is a guy in need of a reloading book". If you reload you have to have at least one.

 

[bluetopper]

Green Dot, Am. Select, Power Pistol, and VV N340 are my favorites for 9mm.

 

[Lj1941]

Dots

In the Alliant line, I have used Blue Dot,Red Dot and even Clay Dot (USING HODGDON CLAYS DATA) to load 9MM.Blue Dot is a little too touchy in my book. Red Dot shoots OK but I find it dirty and only use it if I don't have anything else. Clay Dot with Clays Data is very clean burning but has a very narrow range for use. I like Clay Dot for medium velocity target loads. I am waiting for the new BE 86 to come available along with data and will definitly try it for 9MM.Also Promo is the same as Red Dot but is more dense-You need to adjust your powder measure for weight to use Red Dot data.

 

[32_d3gr33s]

i use both green dot and red dot for 9mm

 

[zxcvbob]

Green Dot for light loads or light bullets. Bullseye for heavier stuff.

I've also used Promo.

 

[Potatohead]

Anything from 1 to 58 could be used, but many won't be optimal. Anything from about 30 to 45 could be very good for jacketed bullets at full power, with some of those being better than others.

The faster powders for lighter recoil, slower loads, and the slower ones for full power.

The work is already done for you. Between burn rate charts and powder manuals, what else is there to note?

Thanks for the info. I'm just trying to put it all in my own little format...but yes, I am re inventing the wheel a bit...maybe just bored, have no press yet, and I've about run out of things to do with my fired brass! Cleaned, sorted, unsorted, cleaned again, put in alphabetical order...you name it

When I read your initial post I thought, "here is a guy in need of a reloading book". If you reload you have to have at least one.

I do have some (speer, abc's, and just got Lymans 49th)....I'm just making my own files, putting it in a bit different format...I'm weird like that

 

[Potatohead]

Thanks "Dot" comment-ers, Lj1941, 32_d3gr33s, and zxcvbob . Appreciate it

 

[Potatohead]

Walkalong said

Anything from about 30 to 45 could be very good for jacketed bullets

The only bullets that aren't jacketed are the lead ones that folks cast themselves, right?

Also, why is it that you need more powder to push a lighter bullet? Example: 5.2 for a 115gr and 4.8 for a 124...that seems backwards to me..Seems you would need more powder (power) to push the heavier one...I haven't come across the answer to this in anything I've read.

 

[JoePfeiffer]

It's been a while, but I used to see .38 Spl commercial ammo with non-jacketed bullets all the time.

On bullet mass vs powder, it isn't that a lighter bullet needs more powder, it's that a heavier can't safely use as much: more powder means higher pressure, but a lighter bullet gets moving more quickly which means lower pressure.

sent using CPIP (see RFC 1149)

 

[Potatohead]

Oh, ok

 

[ETXhiker]

Don't forget Alliant Herco. One of my favorites. Good velocity potential, fairly clean, accurate, low flash.

 

[Potatohead]

Thx. Will add

 

[Walkalong]

Also, why is it that you need more powder to push a lighter bullet? Example: 5.2 for a 115gr and 4.8 for a 124...that seems backwards to me..Seems you would need more powder (power) to push the heavier one...I haven't come across the answer to this in anything I've read.

When using the same powder for both, yes, the lighter bullet will use more powder and run faster. The lighter bullet has less resistance and the pressure builds more slowly, allowing the use of more powder. The pressure curve is longer. The larger powder charge with a longer pressure curve is able to exert more energy on the bullet.

 

[Potatohead]

Thanks Walk

 

[RussellC]

Walkalong said

The only bullets that aren't jacketed are the lead ones that folks cast themselves, right?

No, not at all. I think you are lumping jacketed and plated together, not the same thing. Jacketed is an actual jacket of material. Plated is like chocolate dipped ice cream cone. Generally applied via electrolysis. Much thinner, and wont take the velocity of a jacketed bullet. Generally, plated are not loaded as strong as jacketed can be either...

Russellc

 

[Marlin 45 carbine]

just my experience with the 4 pistol powders I load with RDot is the best for cast slug in 9mm. an earlier poster says it was dirty for him but it ain't in my loads.
also it's a low-flash powder which is good for dark conditions I load my Makarov rounds and .380 with it too.