155 gr bullets for my .30 Carbine Blackhawk

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I’ve been developing a load for my .30 Carbine Blackhawk using 155 gr bullets. Charges between 9-10 gr of H110 produce a very comfortable round and consistent load.

I was inspired by Paco’s Long Range Load For the .30 Carbine Blackhawk.

I’m looking for a heavy, slow(er) load better suited to a handgun.

I took my 155 gr Linotype loads to my range and got this at 20 yards:

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No sign of keyholes which is always good.
 
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Interesting project. Would probably result in much more tolerable muzzle blast, which I have heard is significant in the 30 Carbine Blackhawks. What mold are you using?
 
The one on the left is Buffalo Bore’s 125 gr load. The one on the right is my 155 gr Linotype load.
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And yes, the report is significantly less. But I’ve never felt the report from the .30 Carbine Blackhawk is any louder than that from the .357 Blackhawk.
 
I'd be interested to see if they're still stable at 100 yards plus.

Does that 155 grain weight include the check and lube? My linotype bullets usually tend to run light.
 
I like the idea. Since there is no magazine to determine length, one can load the round as long as everything fits. And another thirty grains to the payload is fine with me.

Slower powders? IMR and H 4227 should be slower. Perhaps even IMR 4895 but that might be too slow. Check with a current comparison chart; but remember, the comparative list of powder burn rates is NO INDICATOR of how much relative difference. Be cautious.
 
I received some interesting advice on another forum:
Hodgdon has 110-grain 30 carbine loads at 82% case fill, so I think the smaller case (as compared to .357 Magnum) probably is what allows for that smaller case fill. The primer can pressurize the small space better, so a little more empty space is less prone to lowering start pressure than it is with the fatter magnum revolver cartridge. Using a powder file tweaked to match Hodgdon's performance measurement, I show a maximum charge for your 155-grain bullet at about 11.8 grains, so the minimum will be about 10.8 grains. The heavy bullet will help compensate, but I'd work up to and likely stay in that load range.

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Regarding stability, the two stability calculators I looked at suggest you have a stability factor of 1.1 to 1.2 with your 20" twist and need a minimum muzzle velocity of 1200 fps if you want to stay above 1.0 (below 1.0 is unstable) in an ICAO standard atmosphere. This is marginal, and while it shouldn't tumble, it may not group well and may have a lower BC due to the bullet catching extra air while it tries to overcome initial yaw.
 
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In general, if they leave the muzzle properly stabilized, bullets become more stable as they go down range. This is because forward velocity is slowed by drag on the nose pushing into the air, while rotation is slowed by drag from fluid friction with air due to its surface speed of rotation. That surface speed is much slower than forward speed.

In feet per second, the surface speed of rotation is equal to muzzle velocity times the fraction you get dividing the bullet circumference by the rifling pitch where both are in the same units of length (usually inches). So, if you have a .308 diameter bullet going 1000 fps from a 20-inch twist. The fraction is:

pi × .308 in / 20 in = 0.048

So the surface speed of rotation is 0.048 fps for every fps of muzzle velocity in that example, and that's the speed with which surface friction with air will be working to slow rotation. In other words, the surface speed of spin is about 21 times slower than muzzle velocity in that example.

When you see a bullet keyholing, but not immediately, it is usually because the bullet is gradually describing larger circles with its nose with each turn caused by precession until that circle becomes wide enough for the sides behind the nose to catch enough air to initiate tumbling. The only exception I have experienced is with the 168-grain Sierra MatchKing which will maintain match accuracy from a 10" twist barrel until it has passed 600 yards. Then, somewhere out around 700 yards it becomes unstable. Bryan Litz says this is a dynamic instability. In effect, even though the bullet is spinning much faster than it needs to for normal stability, when it starts to drop into the transonic range, where drag bumps up, it overcorrects for air disturbances, causing it to oscillate into instability. This is why the problem shows up in a crosswind, but may not in still air. The same bullet fired from a 13" twist barrel at the same velocity can make it to 1000 yards, even in a light crosswind, so this is a weird case of overstabilization for a particular bullet shape. Other bullets, like the 175 grain Sierra MatchKing, don't do it. The thinking is that it is due to the 13° boattail angle on the 168 vs the 9° boattail angle on the 175. There are a few other shapes that may behave this way out there, but it is unusual.

What is the length of your bullet? What velocity are you actually getting? Be aware that with H110/296 that when the loading density gets below about 88%, there is danger of the loads squibbing out and leaving a bullet stuck in the barrel, which can cause disastrous gun failure if you fire the next round into that obstruction. Hodgdon used to have the warning up on the web site front page, but I don't see it now. If you want to get reduced loads with a magnum-suitable powder, Alliant 2400 is probably the best choice as loading it down simply results in not very complete combustion of a number of grains, but the bullet generally still exits.
1st, does this mean my Blackhawk’s 1:20 twist rate isn’t necessarily inadequate? And if so, could be stable much further out than my supposed 100 yards?

2nd, according to my Mitutoyo calipers, the bullet’s length is 0.879”. So this is a plus?

3rd, the 9-10 gr of H110 powder when loaded into the case leaves a void in the case that is pretty much what I expect this bullet to occupy when properly seated. So should that alleviate the concern about “ loading density gets below about 88%”?
 
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Based on this advice, I should be targeting something in the range of 10.8 - 11.8 gr of H110.
 
I'd be interested to see if they're still stable at 100 yards plus.

Does that 155 grain weight include the check and lube? My linotype bullets usually tend to run light.
The bullets are advertised as 150 gr but on my scale they come out as 155 gr.
 
I got a LabRadar chronograph for Christmas. So here are the promised results:

I’m loading 11 grains of H110 with a 155 grain cast bullet. Fired 50 rounds and got an average of 1265 FPS. That actually exceeded my expectations. I needed to get above 1200 FPS with the 1:20 twist rate to maintain stability out to 50 yards.

Anyone else experiment with heavy loads for the 30 Carbine?

BTW, I didn’t see any signs of excessive pressure.
 
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