16" ported 44 mag Marlin: for 10 year old girl? & how much should gun cost used?

Status
Not open for further replies.

GTR done

Member
Joined
Feb 22, 2007
Messages
26
Location
California
My 10 year old girl wants to go hunting (age 12 in California). She is good with a bolt action 22, but needs to shoot left handed (left eye dominant). I can't find a youth sized left bolt rifle we like. 6 pound 16" ported barrel lever action seems like a good bet. I found a used one - Marlin 1894P and put it on lay away. I will start her off with 44 special cowboy loads, then 44 specials and 44 mags before hunting season.
1. What is a good price for this used gun? I have it on lay away, so I am not commited. It already has a Lyman receiver sight on.
2. Any reason this is not gonna work for her? I would like to put a large loop on it, but I don't know if that will help her get the lever moving that much easier. Thoughts?
3. She is big for for her age.
4. I thought we would start hunting pig, then move up to deer. I live in Ventura county. I have never done any hunting myself yet. Any ideas on inexpensive ways to get started?
5. I have a scout scope that I might put on it later. Anybody have a mount that works for you?
Thanks!
 
I'd be worried about the porting-it'll be quite loud even with hearing protection.
A regular 1894 with a 20" barrel will have greater muzzle velocity, will kick less than a shorter barrel(not counting the porting), and will have less noise and muzzle flash.
Other than that it sounds like a good plan.

She may not mind it-can you find one for her to shoot before committing?


EDIT: the slightly greater weight of the longer barrel and mag tube will also help with recoil, particularly if you load the mag tube full.

How much are they asking for it?

Oh, and Marlin's eject to the right-not sure if that would be a problem or not.
 
Last edited:
All I can say is that you have one lucky daughter - all of the guns my old man ever gave me were mangled old .22's. :D

That said, sorry I don't actually have anything useful to contribute.
 
Muzzle flash from ports shouldn't be too bad with pistol rounds in a rifle barrel... is my thinking.
Ported Marlins are rare. I do have a fried with a 45 colt lever. I think it will be too much. Maybe with cowboy loads.

They are asking $580. Looks like 90% or better condition to me. A few minor scratches on the stock.

Longer barrel just too unbalanced for now for her. I was even thinking about M-1 carbine for starters, but 44 mag gives more power options.
 
How about one in .357 magnum? Should work fine on deer sized critters. My oldest son got his first deer rifle in November, a NEF/H&R in .357 with an Aimpoint. I want to have the barrel cut down to 16-1/4" to make it a little easier for him to handle and reduce weight. Guess I'll have to get a second one for little brother too!

J.B.
 
She shouldn't have any trouble with the recoil. If the gun feeds .44 Specials well load up a bunch of them for her -- they have very little recoil even in a handgun. (My daughter was shooting .44 Specials through my 629 at 7 years old.)

The porting might make it loud. Certainly that's not something I would want 'cause the gun and round combination just don't need it. (IMHO, VERY few guns need porting...certainly not rifles, certainly not PISTOL caliber rifles, but YMMV.) You can always double up with both ear plugs and muffs when on the range.

$580 seems high, to me, but you're in CA so anything goes, right? :rolleyes:

By the way: Good on you for teaching her to shoot lefty! She'll be much happier in the end than if you tried to push her to use the non-dominant eye.
 
16" ported 44 mag Marlin: for 10 year old girl?

I don't think I'd make that trade. I think the Marlin is probably pretty cool, but I'd have to keep my daughter.:D
 
That rifle would be a perfect choice for you and your girl.

It is light, handy, accurate and powerful.

The shorter barrel and porting do make it louder than a comparable 20" .44, but either would require hearing protection anyway.

This rifle really has no recoil to speak of so that is not an issue.
Do as you said and start her on light cowboy loads or .44 specials.

$580.00 is a fair price. These handy rifles were only made for two years so if you can get one for under $650.00 your doing pretty good imo.
Do a search on Gunbroker for past sales and I think you will find what your paying to be a fair deal.

I would pass on the larger loop lever. I really don't believe there will be any extra leverage gained for her. Just have her practice working it and she will be fine.
You can also wander over to the Marlinowners forum and pick up alot of information about how to smooth up that action if it needs it.

Look into getting a small red dot sight for it, (Bushnell makes a good one), it will make for some fast and fun shooting.

In all, myself and the ladies love 'em and my bet is you and your lucky daughter will too.
 
"...we like..." We or you? You don't have to like it.
As mentioned, the ports will significantly increase the muzzle blast. A 16" barrel will have more muzzle blast and noise than a regular lengthed barrel too.
There are lots of 'Youth' model rifles from the major manufacturer's. Age has nothing to do with it. Her size does.
 
I think it is important that both you and your daughter like it. Nothing wrong with "...we like..." I wouldn't buy a gun for my daughter unless we both liked it. Is there any way you could have her shoot your friends gun with some light loads to see if she likes it? I wouldn't be too worried about muzzle flash or noise. With hearing protection it shouldn't be a problem. If my 6 1/4 inch ported revolver barrel is manageable, I don't see why a 16 inch rifle barrel wouldn't be.
 
I like the rifle choice just fine, I started my boy off with the standard 20" 1894 in that caliber. If I remember right, the 16" ported 1894 was a limited run item, like Levrlovr says, so I'm not too surprised at the price. Also, IIRC the top of the receiver may not be tapped for mounts, you'll need to check that. Regardless, the Lyman is a good choice for sights, I ran a Williams 5D on mine to teach with.

I guess my first question is, do you handload? Ventura County pig hunting is in the lead ban area, you'll need to find an over the counter load using something like the Barnes 225g XPB or roll your own for hunting in 44 mag. For range time, starting off with 44 Spcls is a good plan, just clean the chamber well before going to magnum loads.

The lead ban kept me from going out with these guys the last couple of years or getting in line for Ft. Hunter Ligget. I've had no luck finding pig on public land, but both Hunter Ligget and Camp Roberts have game populations and hunting programs you should maybe check out. They can make a good starting point and a couple days hunting led off by spending the first day with a guide can make a good (and not wallet killing) intro to hunting, as long as you match up with a guide willing to work with you. I had good success at Hunter Liggett in 2006, bringing in a couple of sows for the freezer. The private guide I linked comes recommended from a friend who used them successfully in 2008. My hunting area is south of the lead ban, so I haven't bothered to change over and work up lead free loads for hunting...yet.

Good Luck!
 
I have the exact same gun.

The Porting is not objectionable on it, nor nearly as loud as I thought it would be when I bought it. Nothing at all like porting blast on a handgun or a hi-power rifle.

BTW: Don't get your left hand out there on that 16" barrel if you decide to shoot it out a car window like I did once!

I would pass on the larger loop lever.
I would too, especially for a younger kid who has small hands anyway.
Their only real advantage, as far as I have seen is when wearing heavy winter gloves. If anything, they are slower for me to operate then the standard lever because there is nothing there to open it with the back of your fingers like a standard lever.

I have an XS sights Lever-Scout mount with a 2x Leupold pistol scope on mine.
http://www.xssights.com/store/scope.html

ScoutScope.jpg

rc
 
Last edited:
the other thing I like about this gun is it has a thick recoil pad. The length of pull is too long now, so I will take the pad off until she grows into it. With light loads it shoudn't hurt. That way I don't have to cut down the stock. I would like to put some kind of thin pad on it to keep the stock from splintering. Any ideas?
 
Two thoughts.

Length of pull is very important, and if one had to choose, I think it's easier to work with shorter than optimal, than too long;
Porting is not necessary on a .44 Magnum rifle, even for a small/young shooter.

Again, if you had to choose, I'd pick a proper LOP stock with a recoil pad over a ported barrel and no recoil pad, every day of the week. One way to go, might be a shorter stock, like the 336 Cadet from Ram-Line (verify with Marlin that a 336 stock will indeed work). You can then switch out the original stock when she gets older and larger. :)
 
Also have a 16 in ported Marlin. The LOP was way too long for my 5ft 8 in frame, and had it cut down. Also replaced the recoil pad. A 44 mag with heavy hunting loads does recoil, and lop is very important for keeping the sighgts close to being aligned ,while working the lever.

As a side advantage to hunting, lighter 180 jhps at 1500 fps have barely noticable recoil.
 
You may look into getting one of the Marlin factory red pads to replace the thicker Pachmayer that's on the rifle now.

Try the factory first as they may stock them.
 
My wife likes her Rossi 92 in .44mag with a 20" bbl a whole lot.

99% of the time it is fed the following handload:
.44mag brass
7.3gr Trail Boss
240gr LSWC
(can't recall if std or mag primer, but it is the suggested primer from the powder co)

The above is the "max load." It makes in the neighborhood of 1000fps out of a 20" bbl. It shoots clean & mild, with little pressure or recoil. I'd take it against deer/hogs at short range. If I were shooting a bit longer range (100-200yds), I'd want more velocity and would move on up to 2400 for my full-power loads.
 
jfruser, how tall is your wife and what is the length of pull on that rossi?
The rossi is thiner and lighter (a little) than a Marlin of same barrel length. The ones I have seen used have a metal butt plate, eject up, and are not tapped for scope mounts.

I seems most are happy with Rossi, but Marlin is somewhat better quality. Hunting is the eventual goal, and the Marlin is more adaptable to that role it seems.

My main concern with that is the lack of non lead hunting loads. I do not reload and do not need another hobby!

I know about Cor-Bon DPX loads.

Thanks.
 
GTR_Done said:
jfruser, how tall is your wife and what is the length of pull on that rossi?
The rossi is thiner and lighter (a little) than a Marlin of same barrel length. The ones I have seen used have a metal butt plate, eject up, and are not tapped for scope mounts.

I seems most are happy with Rossi, but Marlin is somewhat better quality. Hunting is the eventual goal, and the Marlin is more adaptable to that role it seems.

Shooter Size, Stock, Butt Plate
My wife tells people she is 5'. Well, she is taller than 4'11", but 5' is a stretch. She broke 100lbs twice in her life, but soon gave birth and was below the century mark soon thereafter. IOW, she is not a big gal.

My wife is also right-handed, left-eye dominant, and can not fully close her left eye. She, too, shoots lefty with a long gun. Your daughter is not the first gal to face these difficulties.

LOP on the uncut stock is short enough for her to do well, but not perfect, IMO. I'd like to see an inch taken off it.

The metal butt plate is a non-issue for 99% of shooting. Anything up to 1000fps in the 240gr class doesn't produce enough recoil to be worth bothering with a recoil pad. The few times it has been fed barn burners stuffed with 2400 & 240gr LSWC, she has worn one of those PAST recoil shields (the one that slips on to a bra strap). They move in the neighborhood of 1500fps (the 240gr LSWC, not the recoil shield ;) ). Might not be a bad idea for your daughter,when she fires the heavier stuff. Here you go:
http://www.battenfeldtechnologies.c...roduct=Hidden-Comfort-Recoil-Shield-for-Women

Sighting Equpment
A scope on a .44mag carbine or rifle is an unnecessary affectation, kinda like r e a l w i d e t i r e s on a Pinto. The effective range vs big game is just not that far due to the cartridge's trajectory. All that is needed to wring out a .44mag carbine's range is an aperture sight either on the receiver or tang. Makes for a lighter, handier, and faster-on-target weapon that can still deliver a shot through the heart/lung/shoulder area.

This puppy might be a lighter-recoiling option, if you want higher velocity & range performance, but less recoil relative to the heavier pills:
http://www.hornady.com/store/44-Mag-225-gr-FTX-LEVERevolution/

92 & Clones
For pistol-caliber cartridges in a lever gun, the Winchester 92 and its clones are the standard. They are hella-strong, light, handy, and no larger than need be for pistol cartridges. Also, their action is smooth and can be made slicker than owl s***.

If you don't like the Rossi build quality, which is not bad, Browning made some 92 clones in Japan a while back. I'd imagine those would put a Marlin to shame. Heck, for the money you're willing to spend on a used Marlin, I found a Browning 92 on auctionarms.com for less than what you mentioned:
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9606861&oh=216543
Here's a B92 at gunbroker.com for more than what you mentioned:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=161179658

Folks say a lot about Browning, but "poor build quality" usually absent from the conversation.

Versatile? Thy Name is Rossi 92 in .454Casull
For the money you're talking, a you could get a spanking new Rossi 92 in .44mag, .45Colt, or .454Casull in a 16" package, no porting.

If you don't reload, the .454Casull looks tempting. You have more power levels in factory ammo than you can shake a stick at:
  • .45 Colt cowboy loads
  • .45 Colt standard factory loads
  • .45 Colt "+P" from several folks (Buffalo Bore, Cor-bon, others)
  • .454 Casull mild/mid-loads (I can't recall who, but somebody produces lighter .454 Casull loads)
  • .454 Casull standard factory
  • .454 Casull "Dear Lord, Is This a .45-70!?" loads from Buffalo Bore in the 360gr range.

------------

Good luck getting the right hardware for your daughter.
 
GTR Done said:
My main concern with that is the lack of non lead hunting loads. I do not reload and do not need another hobby!

I know about Cor-Bon DPX loads.

I guess I'd go with the Federal Vital-Shok offering with the Barnes bullet for hunting and not worry about it. The Cor-Bon offering is not intended for rifle use from the ads I've seen.

[url=http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=134268&utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=free&utm_campaign=653]Ad Page from Midway USA[/url] said:
This bullet is intended for 44 Remington Magnum handguns only. It should not be used in rifles!
 
All good stuff folks. I like the idea of the 16" stainless Rossi 454. Lots of ammo choices, and she likes the slimmer lighter feel. Are they out there? They are in 2010 catalog. One of the auction sites has one up, but I have never done a gun auction. Rather buy new locally. I will have to check with my dealer. Davidsons Gallery shows out of stock.

Very helpfull, thanks lots!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top