16 scopes & parallax bad on all at 30 yards

[ACES&8S]

I have 9 Leupolds 3 Nikons & various others.
Went to scope mount a Remington 513 T & a 513 S-A & found none of my loose scopes
as well as the rifle mounted ones would work on 4X or lower at 30 yards because the reticle
will not remain stationary with slight head movement , except one, my Kruger - Tacdriver
2.5 X 10 on my M1A1 which has a parallax adjustment on the side.
I have been reading up on parallax more than ever & still can't see why I don't have even one
that will work with a rim fire.
I tried one I gave my son , an old , old , old Tasco & the parallax is perfect at 30 yards on 3 & 4X.
Guess I will have to stay with it until I come up with better options but I would love to get better
field of view than this.
After all this here is my question : I called Leupold & they will change the parallax on any scope
I have from 150 yards to 50 yards. Does anyone here know if this will really work out for 22 rim fire
accuracy?
My friend owns a gun shop & we went thru several 4X rim fire scopes & none had close range parallax like I want.

 

[<*(((><]

I bought a Burris Timberline 4.5-14 x 32 scope that I put on my Savage FVSR .22lr it has parallax adjustment down to 7 yards a big reason I bought it, although I would have preferred a 2-7 rather than a 4.5-14. Real clear glass, I paid ~$250 for it.

https://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/timberline-riflescopes-series/timberline-riflescope-4.5-14x32mm

It doesn't meet your criteria of 4x or lower but gets close

 

[stringnut]

Leopold , Nikon and others make efr scopes that will adjust down to ten yards or less. These are options. Getting the parallax reset should also work well. Rim fire scopes are usually set around 50 yards. This will give you significantly less parallax at less than 50 yards. Getting the parallax reset would be a worthwhile option IMHO.

 

[Walkalong]

Most scopes with parallax adjustment intended for general use will not adjust that close. Many are 50 yards and out. Research it and find one that does.

https://www.midwayusa.com/rimfire-rifle-scopes/br?cid=11397

 

[eastbank]

hunting scopes have the parx sent for longer range as posted, if you need a closer parx free scope a adjustable objective with that goes down to 15-20 yards. is the way to go. eastbank.

 

[jmr40]

I think you're over thinking this. I've used big game scopes with the parallax set on 150 yards on 22's for years and never had a single issue. If you're head is directly behind the scope it doesn't matter anyway. If not your bullets POI will change about the diameter of one 22 caliber bullet.

 

[ACES&8S]

I think you're over thinking this. I've used big game scopes with the parallax set on 150 yards on 22's for years and never had a single issue. If you're head is directly behind the scope it doesn't matter anyway. If not your bullets POI will change about the diameter of one 22 caliber bullet.

Yes you are right, I guess I have been expecting more from standard 3x9 scopes & just have to accept them for what they are.
I can make small calibers group well with a 3x9 by just shooting them like I do the compound bow , hold them in the same
place like an anchor point.
Just never was into super accurate 22 caliber rifles until I got these 2 & what I have doesn't do them justice.
I will probably go with an adjustable parallax since the younger shooters here can't catch onto the 3x9 anchor.
Thanks for your advice.

 

[Varminterror]

The parallax error is incredibly small at such short ranges. Most major brand scopes with fixed parallax are set at 100yrds for centerfire models, with a few 150's on the market, and 50yrds for rimfire models, with the occasional 75 in there. For variable parallax models, most won't come down below 50yrds effectively, no matter what the marking on the knob might say.

At the end of the day, the induced error is typically insignificant. Most 22LR rifles will shoot bughole groups at 25yrds, and the error isn't enough to turn a bug hole into a group... Your reticle will be a little blurry, but you'll hit your target. Shoot and be merry.

 

[Varminterror]

I called Leupold & they will change the parallax on any scope
I have from 150 yards to 50 yards. Does anyone here know if this will really work out for 22 rim fire
accuracy?

Yes, it will work. It'll bring your parallax focus from the 150yrd factory setting to a new 50yrd setting. You'll then have less error at 25yrds than previous, but will induce error at longer ranges. Correcting parallax for your "useful range" used to be much more common. It's regaining a little notoriety since Highpower/CMP has allowed the use of scopes, so guys are taking fixed 100 or 150yrd parallax 1-4x or 4.5x scopes and having them refocused out to 300 or 600yrds.

 

[ACES&8S]

Most scopes with parallax adjustment intended for general use will not adjust that close. Many are 50 yards and out. Research it and find one that does.

https://www.midwayusa.com/rimfire-rifle-scopes/br?cid=11397

I did try a couple at my friends gun shop with set 4x & to be honest I only assumed they were for rim fire, they all failed to hold
X at 30 yards like they should. So I will research more on rim fire scopes before investing in one.
That is food for thought THANKS

 

[Charliefrank]

Years ago I mounted a cheap Tasco pronghorn 3x9x32 on my Remington 581 22lr. Never had an issue with it. Been taking squirrel and rabbit from 15 yards to 75 yards.

 

[ACES&8S]

I bought a Burris Timberline 4.5-14 x 32 scope that I put on my Savage FVSR .22lr it has parallax adjustment down to 7 yards a big reason I bought it, although I would have preferred a 2-7 rather than a 4.5-14. Real clear glass, I paid ~$250 for it.

https://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/timberline-riflescopes-series/timberline-riflescope-4.5-14x32mm

It doesn't meet your criteria of 4x or lower but gets close

I'm already looking into that scope per your advice= THANKS a lot.

 

[hq]

You also have to remember that if you're careful with having an identical cheek weld and eye relief every time you shoot, parallax won't be an issue. Outside the realm of bench rest and having all the time in the world to take the shot it isn't always realistic, though.

 

[ACES&8S]

Leopold , Nikon and others make efr scopes that will adjust down to ten yards or less. These are options. Getting the parallax reset should also work well. Rim fire scopes are usually set around 50 yards. This will give you significantly less parallax at less than 50 yards. Getting the parallax reset would be a worthwhile option IMHO.

This is a learning curve for me.
I have a 300 yards shooting range out my back window thinking I had it all figured out about scopes until I happened upon parallax &
it's effects.
Some years ago if a rifle wouldn't group well it was the ammo or the rifle & the scope was the last option for us.
Lots of us had cheap scopes which were terrible for accuracy & if we got a good one we would swap it from one rifle to the
other to confirm the rifle was a good one.
Parallax was probably the culprit back then.[ sorry for rambling on ]
Now I just need to stop buying so many rifles & start getting scopes with adjustable parallax.
Thanks for the advice

 

[ms6852]

I use the Sightron scopes with the parallax adjustment. Their parallax is on the front objective lens itself. On my Remington 513T or the 52C Winchester I use at 25 to 230 yds. Very happy with these scopes.

 

[Skylerbone]

For eeking out that last bit of accuracy from a target rifle, eliminating potential parallax error is 1 more key element to shrinking group size.

Any of my rimfires including the ones scoped with 150 yd adjusted parallax can ring a squirrel's bell at 30 yards, but that won't do for match accuracy. More important however is finding the match ammo your rifle shoots best.

 

[taliv]

The parallax error is incredibly small at such short ranges. Most major brand scopes with fixed parallax are set at 100yrds for centerfire models, with a few 150's on the market, and 50yrds for rimfire models, with the occasional 75 in there. For variable parallax models, most won't come down below 50yrds effectively, no matter what the marking on the knob might say.

At the end of the day, the induced error is typically insignificant. Most 22LR rifles will shoot bughole groups at 25yrds, and the error isn't enough to turn a bug hole into a group... Your reticle will be a little blurry, but you'll hit your target. Shoot and be merry.

my experience is that parallax is much worse at short ranges than long. in fact, if you look at the markings on side focus parallax scopes, you'll likely find you'll rotate the knob a LOT further going from 50-75 yards than from 500 to 1000.

 

[Varminterror]

Worse is worse, but sometimes worse isn't really worse... When you're talking about a depth of field, sure, the parallax adjustment must shift much farther to restore co-planarity, but when you're talking about a .5moa shift (extreme) at 25yrds, well, I'll say it this way: the guys who shoot well enough to notice a 1/16" to 1/8" shift are NOT the guys who have a problem achieving consistent cheekweld, so parallax error is moot for them.

 

[Varminterror]

Recall, parallax error, maximally, is calculated by Error = 0.5 * obj dia * abs(actual range - parallax setting) / parallax setting, yielding error in mm

So a 40mm scope fixed at 100yrds shooting at 25yrds has a maximal parallax error of 0.59"
Or a 40mm scope fixed at 25yrds shooting at 100yrds has a maximal parallax error of 2.36"

Both are a touch over 2MOA, but it's a lot easier to kill a rabbit if I only have about 1/2" shift at 25yrds than if I have a 2.4" miss at 100yrds.