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160gr lead RN 9mm and Bullseye

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Just went to the store and caught a bug to get 9mm bullets to reload. I got a reloader in a trade and it came with 9mm dies but started out on .45acp.

Ive been using Bullseye for 45. Asked if I could use bullseye for 9mm and staff said sure.. well My Lee 2nd edition doesn't even show 160gr.

Soooo, can anyone tell me where i can find the load data for bullseye powder and 160gr 9mm round nose lead bullets?
I am waiting by the computer hoping someone will be able to answer this
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You'd be better off starting with conventional loads. Specialty loads are for experienced reloaders. This is one of those things where if you have to ask you should not be doing it.
 
I agree with 918v.
I don't think I ever heard of putting 160gr bullets in a 9mm. Most 9mm are 147gr max and I would think a 160gr would have to be longer. To get the bullet to not hit the riflings you would have to seat it deeper. I would be more worried about where the base of the bullet is in the shell since it would have to be seated deeper and that's kind of dangerous in a 9mm since the deeper you seat the base the more the pressure builds.
I wouldn't load anything heavier than a 147gr bullets and stick with published information form the appropiate loading manual.

But that's just me.

Good luck

But that's just me.
 
Problem solved before you even get started, there's no 160 grain round nose 9mm bullets made!:what:

Another problem is your complete lack of required knowledge about reloading, evidenced by you even asking the question to begin with.

Sorry to be so harsh, but you need to do some reading and study before attempting a complicated thing like reloading. It's not rocket science, but a basic understanding of what goes on inside a cartridge when it's fired is fundamental. Then, to know how to replace the consumed components safely, both for you and your weapon.
 
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Bad idea for several reasons.

First, they are undoubtly .357" or .358" 160 grain .38 revolver bullets which are bigger around then .355" or .356" 9mm pistol bullets.

Second, deep seating will be necessary in order to get them in a 9mm magazine & barrel.

That will increase pressure, and probably also bulge the case enough to cause chambering difficultys.

Third, Bullseye would be about the worst & most dangerous powder choice you could possibly make for such a load.

Forth, if you can't find published & tested load data for something?
That is what we like to call a Clue!

Combine all four, and it becomes a very bad idea for someone to attempt who has limited reloading experiance!!

rc
 
badsugarterrors said:
caught a bug to get 9mm bullets to reload
Good advise/counsel so far.

As posted, starting out with common/popular loads is what I would recommend. Bullseye is good with 115/125 gr 9mm bullets with many available published load data. I prefer lighter 115 gr bullet for FMJ and 125 gr bullet for plated/lead bullets.
 
Lyman doesn't list load data for the 158 gr. cast bullet anymore in thier latest manual for the very reason rc stated for the 9mm.
 
Nor have they since they started doing real pressure testing back in the 1970's or so.

At least it appears so in my old Lyman manuals, but I don't have all of them.

rc
 
these guys are right about not using bullseye with a heavy bullet, the col has to be exactly right. if you don't know what you are doing, don't mess with it. if you do know what you are doing, send me a pm and i'll tell you how i load my 160gn lead.

murf
 
if you do know what you are doing, send me a pm and i'll tell you how i load my 160gn lead.

WHY?

What would such a heavy bullet be useful for? There's no reason I could see for it,,,---other than to say you can do it. Velocity can't be much more than 800 fps, trajectory would resemble a rainbow.

Recoil would torture a slide/frame as well. Bad idea all around!
 
I did this--e.g., 160 gr. LRNs, a long time ago. After a couple of years reloading experience, I might add.

It was a fun project--but a worthless one. IIRC, I tried 231--and got a velocity below 700 FPS, with a trajectory worse than a rainbow, as snuffy says.

Jim H.
 
When I see people writing about 9mm trajectories I feel the need to laugh.
 
Ok, wow my ass hurts. And I don't even know where to start to explain.
1. I have only loaded 200grSWC for 45. I had the 9mm dies that came with the press and wanted to try something new SINCE I had the equipment already.
2. I asked if I could use Bullseye with 9mm all the old guys said SURE! So I bought an extra lb. since I was already familiar with it. I wanted to buy bullets to do that day and all they had was 160grain in 1000. nothing else... would have preferred 500 qty of 115/125 gr. They were about to close in 5 mins and I was still sorting brass to buy on the range side. So I had to make a split decision. It was sat and sun they are closed. I had already sorting for 9mm in brass also.... big elaborate plan and was trying to make everything fall in place so I would have 9mm to reload over the weekend.
If anyone is reading at this point.. thanks. Long story shortened, I got home with my materials, run to the book and look up 160 gr... and that page is blank. So I start searching on the internet... no load data. Go back to www for bullets.. yep they sell them. No buds to call lost numbers in old phone. All I had was you guys.
I completely understand what each one of you mean on this matter. Of course before I load anything, I would make sure I completely understand what I am doing before I do it. But damn, gotta learn somehow. and this is the most free and efficient way to get a lot of opinion/advice/material to start with for research. Bad news is, I don't think this store is going to accept a refund on these bullets.
 
I have to add that I know that my first mistake was purchasing without knowing, but if the shop gave a ****, they would have told me that buying this combination was not advisable/recommended/for amateurs... I was following their lead. And like aways thanks for the straightening out and the good information.
 
Could the bullets be meant for 38 super?

I agree with all the above, I wouldnt do it. I have heard of some loading 158gr 38/357 bullets sized down to .355/.356 in their 9mm's, but it was for pins and they were experienced loaders.
 
"I have to add that I know that my first mistake was purchasing without knowing, but if the shop gave a ****, they would have told me that buying this combination was not advisable/recommended/for amateurs... I was following their lead. And like aways thanks for the straightening out and the good information."

Loading 158/160 grain lead bullets in 9mm is really a balancing act, and an act IMO to be taken on later when more experience has been gained... Shame the shop did not have this knowledge in your situation.

I will say however, loading 158 grain lead SWC bullets in 9mm is very doable, and actually pretty fun in my experience do so. The hard part is finding a bullet with the right dimensions for your particular pistol if the attempt is made. For me this means using pistols with long leades, and generally large-ish chambers and groove diameters. Having these conditions will allow you to seat the bullet out as far as practical, still minding max allowable OAL's, without having the shank/wadcutter edge hit the rifling on chambering.

Since both my 9mm pistols have long leades, seemingly generous chambers, and groove diameters of .357"+, finding the proper OAL for my pistols with .358" Speer LSWC's, and Hornady LSWC's was no big deal at all. Chambering is easy as any other properly assembled round. As for propellant choice; no doubt Bullseye could safely be used to make at least .38 Special type std velocity ammo (725-750 fps), I used a propellant with published data for the initial application. I contacted Hodgdon a few yeas back, asking for HS-5 data for a new caliber I was trying out with a can I bought over 25 years ago, and included in this data was 160 grain lead 9mm loads using HS-5, HS-6, Trap 100, and HP-38.

Wanting to start using a propellant on the "slowest" side listed and rather dense, I used HS-6 at 3/10's grain under the max charge listed, and got just over a measured 900fps from my Beretta M9. Function was perfect, recoil mild, with the impulse feeling almost in slow-motion. The area on the cases that are not chamber supported showed not a hint of pressure worries, and I have little doubt in my particular situation of variables, I could have gone to the full max rated charge weight. After this testing, I did develop some 158 grain lead bullet loads using Unique that achieved velocities about 10 fps faster, with the same great results. As a final tip, it is paramount that the actual bullet to be used, be weighed to make sure it is actually 160 grains!... Bullets cast using a "soft" alloy could be considerably heavier than intended, and considering the work at hand, the cartridge and variables concerned, pressures would rise at a much different rate than say using 115 grain RN FMJ's at 1.169" and working up charges of Unique.

Lastly, my philosophy and joy concerning reloading is doing what I can and want to achieve within the reasonable bounds of safety, and level of experience; not "why can't I" or "why do it"... Now I know by actual prudent testing, that if I wish to have the equivalent of a 20 shot "FBI load" semi auto, it's a simple matter of heading to my reloading bench and cranking them out.
 
Murf, do you shoot IDPA? Or USPSA?
In the beginning, thinking (still exists) said use a heavy bullet with a slow powder with the knowledge of the pressure. In IDPA, a 9mm 160gr round would have to achieve 782 fps to make power factor. A 125gr would have to make 1000fps. The consensus says the heavy bullet will take the "snappy" recoil out of the equation providing fast follow up shots. All of us personality "A" types also play with the the springs.

I can convert my 1911 to a spring (10# minus a coil or two) and load that will function superbly with a 165gr traveling about 600fps. Super soft, fast enough cycle (for me, maybe not Leatham) and satisfyingly accurate. Set it up for a local informal steel target IPSC style match. Spell g--a--m--e--r.

In about a minute, it will handle 230 gr Hydrashoks with aplomb. Feeding is without a hitch.
 
Velocity can't be much more than 800 fps, trajectory would resemble a rainbow.

Gee, that must mean the .38 Special is pretty useless.

I know people who load 158-160 gr 9mms but it is a bit of a challenge. Bullseye is not the powder. The one batch I did was with W231 which is still a bit fast for the job.

There is a discussion of 160 gr 9mm P on Benos. Please do not take what these seasoned competitiors and experienced handloaders are doing as a license to just throw something together without study. Note that they do not use Bullseye.
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105592
 
Well, it's Monday. Maybe you could exchange the 160 gr bullets for something else. If they don't have any 115/125 gr 9mm bullets, you can order some 125 gr RN (SmallBall) from Missouri Bullets - You'll get them before Friday evening to load and shoot over the weekend. :D

Often, I tell my son, "Life is hard enough, why make it harder?"
 
Bullseye works great in 9mm with heavy cast bullets; better than most. 160gn is awfully heavy though, and doesn't leave much room in the case for powder. It also might run into the case web, or not want to chamber because the meplat is too fat.

I know how much BE powder I'd start with, but I hesitate to mention it. You'd be better off trading those bullets for something actually made for 9mm, like 125's or 147's.
 
@ sapper

It is handwritten 9mm 160gr on top of box. I confirmed it with the site that it came from. It's thebulletworks.net. And yes I "flamed" on them recently but it's all the shop had available.

BTW can www.missouribullet.com guys make hard lead bullets for bulletworks price?
I was told by another shop I frequent that they bullets are softer. "too soft" is actual comment.
 
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Well, it's Monday. Maybe you could exchange the 160 gr bullets for something else. If they don't have any 115/125 gr 9mm bullets, you can order some 125 gr RN (SmallBall) from Missouri Bullets - You'll get them before Friday evening to load and shoot over the weekend. :D

Often, I tell my son, "Life is hard enough, why make it harder?"
Yep, tried going there but they were closed because of all the rain we are getting is flooding north of Little Rock. A reasonable setback. I have been out of school for a week and a half because of this crazy weather.

I would love to try Missouri bullets. Still haven't checked out the site. Will do right now.
 
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