lobo9er
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do 30-30's need more barrel than 16inches? I was looking at couple different lever guns from 16 inch barrels to 24.
16inch 30-30 barrel.
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R.W.Dale
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Does 30/30 or pretty much any rifle cartridge perform better in a longer barrel? YES
Will a 16" barreled 30/30 be ineffective on game? NO
It's more a question of are you willing to sacrifice a little ballistic performance for a handier package? It's not like 30/30 would stop working altogether if fired from a 16" tube.
Will a 16" barreled 30/30 be ineffective on game? NO
It's more a question of are you willing to sacrifice a little ballistic performance for a handier package? It's not like 30/30 would stop working altogether if fired from a 16" tube.
Red Cent
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Need? Nope. You give up some velocity, gain one hell of a muzzleblast, and is as accurate as a 22" barrel.
I would vote for a 20" barrel. I would think you are looking at the Trapper. Cool rifle. Brush gun. Not in shooting through, but walking through.
I would vote for a 20" barrel. I would think you are looking at the Trapper. Cool rifle. Brush gun. Not in shooting through, but walking through.
AStone
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Ah, well, I'll subscribe here.
I've been planning for years to cut my 336 down to 16.5 or 17. Haven't yet.
(Complicated story about why, involves both money and time.)
But will eventually. For me, it's a handling issue.
Not so worried about loss off a little ballistic performance.
All my shots will be closer in, probably less than 100 yds.
If you click on levers in my sig line, you'll go to a thread where this has been discussed repeatedly.
Pretty long thread (understatement), but you can search it for "cut" and find relevant posts.
I've been planning for years to cut my 336 down to 16.5 or 17. Haven't yet.
(Complicated story about why, involves both money and time.)
But will eventually. For me, it's a handling issue.
Not so worried about loss off a little ballistic performance.
All my shots will be closer in, probably less than 100 yds.
If you click on levers in my sig line, you'll go to a thread where this has been discussed repeatedly.
Pretty long thread (understatement), but you can search it for "cut" and find relevant posts.
Furncliff
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You might be interested in this article about a cut down on a Marlin336.
http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Marlin336CS.htm
http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Marlin336CS.htm
AStone
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^ Ah, the classic cut it down essay.
Yes. Read it, then cut it down.
Yes. Read it, then cut it down.
Badlander
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I cut this 30-30 to 16" recently. Shot it for the first time last week. Shoots very well. I did not notice any increase in muzzel blast wearing muffs. very handy little rifle. You will like A shorty!
Abel
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I have a 336 with an 18.5" barrel that is plenty short and handy. I wouldn't want anything shorter than that. But plenty do seem to like the 16.5" barrel.
MMCSRET
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I have 3 carbines with 16" barrels. The Winchester '94 in 32 Winchester Special is original from the factory. It gives up quite a lot compared to my Marlin 336A, 24" in the same chambering, but is handier and I developed another set of loads for the short barrel. I cut my Marlin 1894C and 1894, 357 and 44 Mag, to 16" each. Both cartridges were originally developed for revolvers with 6 1/2" barrels or 8 3/8" barrels, so I did not loose on that deal. Chrono results before and after show a loss of less than 50 FPS with both using the same loads. I like short barrel carbines, but usually have a standard length of the same chambering as well. Just can't have too many variations!!!
db_tanker
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if you look up old historical records you will find several Model 1894 Winchester saddle rifles with a 14" barrel in 30 WCF. Even seen one in 15".
I am not sure if these were factory offerings or custom jobs...but I am sure they didn't hamper their operations.
I am not sure if these were factory offerings or custom jobs...but I am sure they didn't hamper their operations.
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lobo9er
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thanks ya'll decision made gonna cut down my 336 was looking at a few at a gunshow and dicks but i think i may just hot rod what i got its beat up and could use a face lift.
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lobo9er
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nice rifle! a 45/70 would be sick but i think i should slick up what i got before a i pick up another lever gun. its an older model before the recievers came drilled and tapped, so i think 1st i'm gonna have the reciever drilled and have the barrels cut down then decide wether or not a ramline stock will be added or just paint or stain the existing furniture. thanks again for the pics
Badlander
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Lobo9er
What model 336 do you have?
What model 336 do you have?
T.R.
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This is my Glenfield model 30GT with 18.5 inch barrel. It came from the factory this way in 1979. The recoil pad was added to lengthen the stock to fit me.
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AStone
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I'd call that acceptable MODH.
(Minute of deer heart)
Beautiful furniture, too.
Never seen a 336 (or relative) with such light wood.
(Minute of deer heart)
Beautiful furniture, too.
Never seen a 336 (or relative) with such light wood.
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lobo9er
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badlander,
its a 336-a manufactured in 1949
dont know much history about the 336 im but reading up.
its a 336-a manufactured in 1949
dont know much history about the 336 im but reading up.
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achildofthesky
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Short 336...
My take on this is disregard the hooey about muzzle blast (I don't even notice it at all), disregard the small velocity loss, if you like handy handling in a rifle, go for it either by cut or OEM. For example:
Take this:
Load up some 170gr bulllets (170gr Win over 29.0gr H4895, FC or Win Brass, Win WLR or CCI 200 primer) or get some el cheapo Federal 170's and get this at 100 yards with the scope on 5x:
By the way the net cost on the NIB 336 SDG was under $380 including shipping and FFL fees... I bought it and a 308SDT as a pair deal on GB and sold the 308 fire sale inside of 24 hours for c note more than it cost me. Sometimes you can find a SMOKIN deal on what you want.
Oh, it shoots LE ammo pretty well too (around and inch and a quarter to and inch and a half) but compared to the 170's, they shot pretty high.
If you like it, just do it. You will like the results and laugh at all the naysayers, many of whom have never shot or handled a minimal length rifle. Don't get me wrong though, nothing wrong with a 20" barrel on a 336, but I am SOLD on the easy handling shorties.
Be safe
Patty
My take on this is disregard the hooey about muzzle blast (I don't even notice it at all), disregard the small velocity loss, if you like handy handling in a rifle, go for it either by cut or OEM. For example:
Take this:
Load up some 170gr bulllets (170gr Win over 29.0gr H4895, FC or Win Brass, Win WLR or CCI 200 primer) or get some el cheapo Federal 170's and get this at 100 yards with the scope on 5x:
By the way the net cost on the NIB 336 SDG was under $380 including shipping and FFL fees... I bought it and a 308SDT as a pair deal on GB and sold the 308 fire sale inside of 24 hours for c note more than it cost me. Sometimes you can find a SMOKIN deal on what you want.
Oh, it shoots LE ammo pretty well too (around and inch and a quarter to and inch and a half) but compared to the 170's, they shot pretty high.
If you like it, just do it. You will like the results and laugh at all the naysayers, many of whom have never shot or handled a minimal length rifle. Don't get me wrong though, nothing wrong with a 20" barrel on a 336, but I am SOLD on the easy handling shorties.
Be safe
Patty
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AStone
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Good to "see" you, Patty.
Guys, listen to her advice. She knows her guns. I think she's onto something.
Having pangs to get my 336 cut down.
(Actually, having pangs to get it out here.
It's in storage on the other coast while I transition.)
Better start looking around this new neighborhood for a smith that can do it.
Or, here's a thought: maybe I'll have it shipped from other coast to a smith between here and there, then let them ship it to me at the end.
OK, so what's the best shop for the cut and crown in the lower 48?
I lean towards someone in the northern tier since it'll be in
a straight line from where it is to me, but will listen to reason.
Nem
Guys, listen to her advice. She knows her guns. I think she's onto something.
Having pangs to get my 336 cut down.
(Actually, having pangs to get it out here.
It's in storage on the other coast while I transition.)
Better start looking around this new neighborhood for a smith that can do it.
Or, here's a thought: maybe I'll have it shipped from other coast to a smith between here and there, then let them ship it to me at the end.
OK, so what's the best shop for the cut and crown in the lower 48?
I lean towards someone in the northern tier since it'll be in
a straight line from where it is to me, but will listen to reason.
Nem
achildofthesky
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Hey there Nem... I know you are a pretty long way off but were you in these parts you'd be welcome to try Shorty out. I stumbled on the deal when looking for a basic stainless 336 and was shocked when the pair sold so cheaply. I had (and still do) thought about chopping a few inchs off ol' Marvin the wonder rifle but given I have this now, I am not in so much of a hurry now. Someday...
Be safe and great to hear from you again.
Patty
Be safe and great to hear from you again.
Patty
Badlander
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Patty Can't wait to see the cut down Marvin. Nem Get on it!!!!
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