.17 Mach 2

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What's this .17 Mach 2 round that Kimber has chambered for both pistol and rifle?

Never heard of it.
 
simply put,it's a .22lr necked down to .17.
along the same line as 22wmr necked down to 17.just smaller & cuter.:D

according to my local gun counter they should begin shipping in september.


iirc,they are supposed to be +/- 800fps faster then 22lr too.
 
My dealer was telling me about this round last time I was in. I think he said Ruger had a couple rifles in the works for it.

Rinspeed
 
I hope someone makes a itty biddy one piece cleaning rod to clean that itty biddy bore.
 
Have no fear, Dewey makes a .17 rifle rod, and I'm sure they'll come out with a shorter one for handguns in time. :D
 
Hold up a second.

How many of them fit in a 10rd .22LR mag? :evil:

They're so cute. I kind of want one :eek:
 
Ten of course. They're actually a Stinger case (slightly longer) necked down.

You Gain: velocity & accuracy.
You Lose: Money.

Keep your .22s for plinking/practice, use the .17 for competitions and some hunting.
 
Actually, I'm not sure that there's any good reason for the .17 Mach II - except marketing, of course! :D

The .17 HMR is a significant boost in accuracy and varmint performance over the .22 WMR, and its higher cost per round is not outrageously higher than .22 WMR ammo. On the other hand, the .22LR is dirt cheap and made by the umpteen billions of rounds each year. The .17 Mach II is nowhere near as cheap, and whilst it does offer a significant jump in performance over the .22LR, why not simply go up to the .17 HMR and get an even better performance increase, at virtually the same price?

The .17 Mach II seems like a marketer's wet dream, but I don't see myself buying one anytime soon, particularly as a .22LR replacement. On the other hand, I can definitely see a place for the .17 HMR in my battery...
 
So? How long before some self-inflicted genius thinks up the bright idea of necking these rim fire cases down to .15?
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That would be fine by me. One, I'm interested in sub-calibers . Two, it means more guns and maybe more shooters. I'd really like to play wth some of the .1-.4 diameter loads that are "out there". I saw some neat cartridges in PO Ackley's books. The only problem is getting a firearms to shoot them. :-D

Chris
 
BTW, from what I've read, you can modify your 10/22 to shoot the new 17Mach2, but you'll need a new bolt and/or a new recoil spring in addition to the new barrel. If you've ever taken a 10/22 apart, you'll know that swaping the bolt and recoil spring assembly is simple. I imagine the swap would take all of 5 minutes to go from 22lr to 17Mach2. The magazines are the same.

Chris
 
Having done some custom work on a couple 10/22's and buying a custom 17HMR I'm sorta interested in the final componets needed to do a 17M2 conversion. I mostly shoot paper from a bench and from that viewpoint the 17M2 could be interesting. It would be nice to be able to buy match grade ammo (Hornady, Eley) for under $6 a box and shoot tiny 5 shot groups at 50yds as well as tweaking the rifle to extend that out to 100yds.

I know that to some $7 for 17HMR and $6 for 17M2 is very expensive, but if you compare those prices with Match Grade 22 ammo ($12 box) it's cheap.

That said, for plinking it's a Henry lever or my old Winchester. Neither were ment to be all that accurate but still will do a number on the critters in my neck of the woods.
 
The .17 HMR is a significant boost in accuracy and varmint performance over the .22 WMR, and its higher cost per round is not outrageously higher than .22 WMR ammo. On the other hand, the .22LR is dirt cheap and made by the umpteen billions of rounds each year. The .17 Mach II is nowhere near as cheap, and whilst it does offer a significant jump in performance over the .22LR, why not simply go up to the .17 HMR and get an even better performance increase, at virtually the same price?
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So that you can use the same rifle for both .22LR and .17M2? Just a thought.

I'd love to get a Voquartsen .22LR with changeout components for .17, but the .17HMR is a different action since the rounds are much longer.
 
Wouldn't a .22 gun need a new barrel to shoot the .17? The round is a bit smaller. That's kinda like saying I can shoot .40 outta my .45....
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Yes, but the action is the right size. If the round is really just a necked-down .22LR, then theoretically a simple barrel swap would let you shoot either round. You'd possibly be able to use the same mags, same spring, etc.

If you have a Glock 23 in .40SW, all you have to do is swap the barrel to shoot the .357Sig. Uses the same spring, mags, slide, etc. That's what I'd hope for out of this round. Otherwise, I don't see the point...
 
Kingcreek

Quote; " I called Browning a couple weeks ago and told them I needed a 10" .17cal barrel for my Buckmark extreme gopher gun. They didn't know anything about them or when they might be available. bummer".

The May 04 issue of Shooting Times did a story on the 17m2 (as did a few other rags). They have a 17m2 Buckmark Target 5.5 in the story and on their cover.

The 17m2 is actually a necked down stinger case, which is a tad longer than a standard 22lr. I haven't made up my mind on whether or not I'll get a 17m2 long gun, but I've already decided to get the Buckmark pistol in 17m2. I hunt small game and varmints with a 22wmr revolver and I suspect the 17m2 pistol will be far more accurate. You can't get a 17hmr in a pistol, unless it's the Volquartzen Cheetah.
 
Preacher-I believe we're talking apples and oranges here. The .22 is woefully lacking when compared to either the of the new.17 variants. Velocity, flatness, and range are far superior in the .17's. I do agree that the drawback of the .17's compared to the venerable .22 is cost, both of the round and firearm. I currently own a Ruger 1022, and have owned several others. Personally I would leave the 1022 un-modified, as I believe it is one of the best values in modern firearms period. That being said, I sure wouldn't mind a .17 calibre round that shoots longer, flatter, and more accurately than a .22 with much greater velocity.
 
quote=gbran ... You can't get a 17hmr in a pistol, unless it's the Volquartzen Cheetah.

Actually...
  • Taurus Tracker
  • S&W 647
  • Heritage
  • Ruger
  • Volquartsen
 
Personally I'd be happy seeing calibers as small as 2.2mm, provided that they have some weight to them above 5 grains.
 
TechBrute, ChiefDave over at RFC did something you might like. He took a regular 10/22, removed 3/8" from the back of the trigger guard, moved it back and redrilled the pin holes and threw out the ejector (magazines have built in ejectors). Cut a small radius at the rear of the mag opening to fit the magnum magazine and add a 10/22M .17hmr ot .22mag barrel and you have a 4 caliber convertible .22lr/.17hm2/.22wmr/.22hmr rifle. He was also discussing having a ready made conversion (he patented it) available and was going to sell kits so people could just pop in the parts and go on their way. You might want to check in on that and see if he ever got it completed. The 10/22 is the ultimate rimfire rifle.
 
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