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.17 Mach II?????

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hillbilly, Feb 15, 2004.

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  1. hillbilly

    hillbilly Member

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    I heard on Gun Talk this afternoon talk of the .17 Mach II cartridge....The .22 LR based version of of the .17 HMR.

    Okay.....so who knows details?

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  2. hillbilly

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    Found a few details at this link

    http://www.outdoorsbest.com/shotshow/atk_ST_0214/


    17 Mach 2: CCI and Hornady have teamed their bullet cartridge manufacturing expertise to produce an exciting new rimfire cartridge, the new 17 Mach 2. This bullet offers a magnum cartridge-like performance in a small package--the same length as a .22 Long Rifle. The groups are phenomenal. The 17-grain Hornady V-MAX bullet leaves the muzzle at over 2,000 feet per second (fps), and is faster at 150 yards than a .22 Long Rifle at the muzzle. Mid-range rise is only one inch when sighted for 100 yards. This product is so new ATK has yet to get a price point on it. Consumers can expect this product to hit dealer shelves late summer 2004.
     
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    I'm pretty sure we've a member here who may want to throw in HER .02 on this. Cats-die-now, where are you?
     
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    Unless I am mistaken this is the same cartridge configuration that Aquila has been trying to get off the ground for the past year plus or so.

    If a .17 HMR is shooting way over 2500FPS and you can shoot dimes at 50 yards and quarters at 100 yards I don't understand where this fits.

    Perhaps you can re barrel a .22??

    What is the unique angle of this cartridge??
     
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    It is new. That is all it takes.
     
  7. hillbilly

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    The other angle would be that this .17 rimfire is about as 2/3 to 1/2 as expensive as .17 HMR, at least according to what I heard on Gun Talk today.

    Something like $5 or $6 per box of 50.

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    I'm sure someone will make a 10/22 retrofit. It's already been done with the HMR.
     
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    I see this being more popular than 17 hmr.


    for all of those with easily replaceable barrrels on our .22 lr rifles and pistols. i for one will be looking for a barrel for my smith m22
     
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    why the heck would anyone bother when you can get a .22 mag for the same ammo price and have probably 5 times the knock down at 150 yds? ahhh just as its a new thing?
     
  11. CatsDieNow

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    I like my .17 HMR because it's got negligible recoil and you can see the holes being made through the scope. Kills them woodchucks good too.

    I'm not sure I see the usefulness of this, but then a lot of people told me my .17 HMR would be worthless too.

    Further discussion at rimfirecentral.com
     
  12. Tamara

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    Because, as folks above have pointed out, this new cartridge is only a simple barrel swap away for every P-22, 10/22, Neos, M41, et cetera owner out there.

    Why spend the bucks on a new gun when you can just get another barrel for one you have? T/C's been making a mint off the concept for decades. :)
     
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    I wonder if there'll be any safety issues with chambering such a round for tube-fed rifles such as the Marlin model 60.

    I get the feeling Marlin wouldn't dare, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to pick up another $99 model 60 if chambered for this round.
     
  14. Matt G

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    If it really is the same length as the .22 L.R. cartridge, then I see this round doing well. After all, it can be chambered in ANY firearm model set up for .22 LR, with only a change to the bore diameter. Magazines for .22 LR will work. Receivers and breech faces and extractors and ejector angles for .22 LR will all work. Feeding should actually work better. I see auto firearms for this.

    [shrug]

    I could be wrong. But it'll be a low-cost experiment for the manufacturers to test-market their firearms in this cartridge, which means you're likely to see quite a few examples to try. That bodes well. Always bet on the option that is cheap for the manufacturer to market.
     
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    why would there be any safety issues? the round is a rimfire so the point of one bullet is not on the primer of the bullet in front of it. there should be no problem with it in a tube fed.
     
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    IMO, I don't think there will be a safety issue with this setup as Winchester already has the 9417.(9422M chambered for .17 HMR.) The shortness of the new .17 as compared to the HMR round will probably allow the point to get a little farther from the center but will probably be still far away from the rim. Could be wrong though, just my guess.
     
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