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"CritGit" makes a very good point. The .223 is in the shadow of the .22/250 but it is still a very good varmint caliber and very well-suited to the type of shooting you mention. Ammo for it will be a bit cheaper than ammo for the .22/250 or Swift. The .223 is surely worth a look.

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It depends on your skill level, the 22-250 and 220 swift are both honest 300+ yd cartridges when sighted about 3" high at 100 yds with 55 gr. bullets. The 223 is no slouch either and will do 250 yds with the same 3" high at a 100 yds. I'm sure others will have their own opinions about this.

NCsmitty
 
Ditto. I'm a big fan of the .17 Hummer. Never had a .17 Mach 2, so cannot comment, but people seem to like them also for the cheaper ammo and good effect.

I've owned 5 different .17 Hummers and still own 2 of them. They are a hootenanny - easy to make hits to 100 yards even with wind. Without much wind, easy to make hits on squirrel-sized targets to 125 or so yards. Accurate & fun. Virtually no recoil, and little noise - what's not to like?

On the .223, the range is gonna depend on the wind level, your skill, the ammo selection, your rifle's accuracy; everything. But if everything comes together, you should be able to hit small rodent-sized targets out to 300 yards or maybe a smidge more with the .223. With the .22-250, again with ammo tuned to your gun (good handloads), etc., you can extend that effective range to 350 yards or a bit more if everything lines up. Now sure you could occasionally make lucky hits to 500 or even 600 yards, but to consistently have a better-than-even chance of making a hit, you're maxing out around 350 or so, in low-ish wind. Of course, lots and lots of practice can improve that some. You are going to reload, right? If you are not, then you definitely want the .223 rem as a long-range varminter choice, to have a good factory ammo selection. Realistically, when there is wind and an average skill level (such as I have), then .223 is effectively around a 250 yard gun for small targets like that, as Mr. NCsmitty says, and the .22-250 or .220 swift around 300.
 
Would agree with "NCSmitty". Assuming you're talking common hunting rifles/scopes and not bench equipment.

The .223 is pretty vunerable to wind by the time it reaches 300yds. It can surely be used at that distance and, really even out to 400 - but between 300 and 400 you had better bring your "A game". I would probably sight in a .223 for 250yds. with 55-gr. V-max ammo. And, when you think about it - a mild sounding, mild-recoiling rifle that will shoot the buttons off your shirt out to 250 yards is a pretty darned good rifle to have.

The .22/250 and the Swift are much more robust and add 75 yds. of really reliable range before any reasonable winds are giving them serious difficulty.
I would probably sight either one in for 275 yds.

With any .22 caliber rifles it is always the wind that hoses them worse than bullet drop because you can predict drop but the winds can get a lot of crazy licks in within a range of 300yds.

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Ya, I'm talking average over the counter firearms and optics and basically factory ballistics based on the 3" high at 100 kill zone to the 3" drop at the far end. Not even counting the wind factor.
Most of us know that custom rifles with custom barrels and twists, shooting custom or high grade bullets in the hands of a skilled shooter, will amaze & astound the average once a year hunter.

NCsmitty
 
22-250 is excellent at killing prarie dogs (think giant squirrel, size of a house cat) out to 500 yards; my longest shots were 425 yards with 55gr bullets. With heavier bullets, it is very capable of taking deer-sized game, which is where it surpasses the 220 swift.

Given the same twist rate... the Swift has a slight velocity edge over the 22-250 with every bullet weight. It simply has larger case capacity and can push the bullets (slightly) faster.

I doubt I could tell a difference between the two in the field... but on paper and the chronograph it is there.
 
yeah, louder. the 22.250 comes for the old 250/savage case, whereas the 220 is based on the old 6mm lee/navy. a noticeably bigger case.
However, I have easily taken fox with the 17hmr at 1oo or so yards, and if you had the open terrain, and a wind under 10 mph cross, i don't see why a 17hmr, couldn't drop a fox at 150 yds like a bad habit.
 
I love my Savage 93, I have tapped out a few varmints in the garden about 80yds out. Works well, but only up to 40lbs of target, if larger then that -then get a bigger round. I was surprised how accurate and well designed the round is. I need to practice more on windy days, cause that's the only time I have trouble with the round.(very light)
Coyotes are a major problem for us in Texas, I let one have it, and I know I hit him. I bet he was the buzzard buffet the next day in my neighbor's field, but that's why the .223 is around.
Excellent round the .17 HMR, no complaints it does what it is designed to do.
 
well thanks lads for all your replys,you all have set my mind at rest on what i am looking for,so the past couple of days i decided to have a look around for a nice .22-250,and at the moment they are very hard to come by,but i will hold out,and not a sign of a swift either,at my local gundealer he showed me a couple of .222 or treble2,s as i think they are called and he said you would get as must sport at you want out of this as you would out of the .22-250,its only when you go to see a rifle that you really like that you find that there are so many different makes and models to choose from,so lads any information on the treble 2,s or 222 would be brilliant,thanks again and looking forward to reading your replys....earthmover,
 
The .222 Remington was a hit as soon as the bench-rest crowd found it.
It is a good candidate for "Most Accurate .22 Centerfire Ever". Tons of excellent rifles were chambered for it.

Later when the word "magnum" was sales magic - Remington lengthened the case and brought out the .222 Remington Magnum which really offers nothing notable over its' parent cartridge and can be found in fewer rifles of fewer types.

The .222 Remington (and it's magnum offspring) are superb cartridges to about 250yds but by 300-325 they are both getting dicey.

The .222 is more cartridge than the the .223 and among the .22 centerfires it is bested only by the .225 Winchester, the .22/250, the .224 Weatherby, and the Swift. But by "bested" I mean only velocity. If you are talking Accuracy, the .222 is the "One-Hole-Group" King. The humble .222 is also pretty economical to reload and quieter than its' more potent bretheren.

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I haven't been around a .17HMR, but I've watched Justin use his .17 Mach II to pop prairie dogs quite easily to 100 yards, and get clean kills at 200. It took him a bit to work out holdover (his first time out with the rifle) and figure out the wind, but after that it all worked just fine.

I was using my .223 that day. I zero for 200 yards. Getting hits to 300 was no difficulty. About 5" to 6" holdover; sometimes in the crosswind, I held about 6" upwind to get a hit.

Kills to 400 were easy with my Swift.

FWIW, the powder capacity is roughly the same for the .223 and the .222 Magnum. The main difference is in the length of the case neck.

From comparing both the .22-250 and the Swift over a whole bunch of years, there ain't no practical difference. It's purely a matter of personal preference. Six of one, half-dozen of the other.
 
thanks lads,now if you were going for a nice rifle that you wanted to take a fox [say 200 hundred to three hundred ]what would you go for,i was going to go for a .22-250 but as it stands there is a load on the market at at moment,but which one to go for ,that is the question,222,.22-250.223 swift,and another thing as i am only into shooting for the last five years or so and only hunted with dogs before that ,it means i am still learning,so could you tell me what is reloading mean,does it mean loading your own shots,
 
CRITGIT,i have looked at a CZ.223 and i was very impressed with it,does it have the same kick as the 22-250 and what type of distance would you be talking about for a clean kill.
Earthmover
 
I have long guns: .22LR, .22 Horn, .222 Rem, 223 Rem and .22-250 Rem. I can tell you, never .17 cal. for me.
 
The .222 is more cartridge than the the .223 and among the .22 centerfires it is bested only by the .225 Winchester, the .22/250, the .224 Weatherby, and the Swift. But by "bested" I mean only velocity. If you are talking Accuracy, the .222 is the "One-Hole-Group" King. The humble .222 is also pretty economical to reload and quieter than its' more potent bretheren.



The 223 Remington has larger case capacity and higher muzzle velocity with a given bullet weight than the 222. Perhaps you meant the 222 Magnum?
 
yeah, louder. the 22.250 comes for the old 250/savage case, whereas the 220 is based on the old 6mm lee/navy. a noticeably bigger case.


Two different cases, the Swift has the slight edge in case capacity; but I would be hard pressed to discern between the two based on noise alone. Both are capable of pushing 50 grain bullets in the 4k neighborhood.
 
earthmover, reloading means having the equipment to resize the fired cartridge cases and reprime them; and, to have powder scales to recharge with the correct and exact amount that's desired. Browse through the reloading forum here for a lot of information.

Recoil of any centerfire .22 is pretty much negligible. Although the .22-250 and the .220 Swift are more powerful, I would not hesitate to shoot a fox at 300 yards with my .223.

In general, I'd consider 300 yards to pretty much be the limit for a clean, ethical and reliable kill with the .223. That's for fox-sized animals, anyway. For very small ground-squirrel animals like our prairie dogs, the limit is more about one's skill than it is distance.

I'd be hesitant to go beyond 400 yards on something like a fox, using the .22-250 or .220 Swift. Again, it's the clean, ethical kill aspect. Wind becomes a factor, and I don't like wounding an animal and then losing it...
 
well to tell you the truth CBS220 i have,nt a clue about reloading in Ireland,but i am meeting a gun dealer tomorrow and the first question on my list will be about reloading,ART,i would be happy with a 250 yard shot and clean kill,so tomorrow will tell if i am getting a CZ.223 or a parker hale .22-250,but its good to know how far i can take the longer shot if the opportunity arises.
 
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