1858 specs

[Ironhand54]

At my last gun show I picked up a 1858 that some "gunsmith" had parkerised. In the process he ground off almost all of the markings.

Now I am trying to figure out who made it. The only marks left are part of the company name on the top flat and the serials.

Does anyone know where I can find specs for the originals and the various repros? Maybe by measuring parts I can identify it.

Thanks
Ironhand

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

What part of the "Company" name remains????

 

[AlexanderA]

The best way would be to compare it side by side with an original, and with reproductions made by the various makers.

Just offhand, I would say that if the front sight is screwed or pressed directly into the barrel, it's a Pietta, while if it's on a dovetail, it's an Uberti or Euroarms.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

Does anyone know where I can find specs for the originals and the various repros? Maybe by measuring parts I can identify it.

No manufacturer is going to list company intellectual property such as dimensions publicly.

If you'd like I could take a few measurements off my 1975 vintage Euroarms Remmie if that will help. It was actually made by Armi San Paolo. So were the copies Lyman was marketing at that time.

Are there any markings at all that Bozo did not eliminate, to help identify it?

 

[Ironhand54]

The best way would be to compare it side by side with an original, and with reproductions made by the various makers.

Just offhand, I would say that if the front sight is screwed or pressed directly into the barrel, it's a Pietta, while if it's on a dovetail, it's an Uberti or Euroarms.

Dovetail

Thanks Ironhand

 

[Ironhand54]

[QUOTE="Driftwood Johnson,
If you'd like I could take a few measurements off my 1975 vintage Euroarms Remmie if that will help. It was actually made by Armi San Paolo. So were the copies Lyman was marketing at that time.

Are there any markings at all that Bozo did not eliminate, to help identify it?[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I have 2 other reproduction I can measure.

The only markings I can find are part of the "E. Remington markings and the serial numbers on the bottom barrel flat and on the frame under the grips.

Ironhand

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

While both Uberti and Armi San Marco made clones with more or less correct Colt barrel addresses, I do not know of any factory NMA clones with the correct barrel address made by anyone.

If someone defarbed an Italian NMA clone and then added their own partial barrel address to make it more authentic, I doubt that they would Parkerize it.

Here is a correct NMA barrel address for comparison.

See if the font, spacing and location appear the same on your specimen.

 

[GRIZ22]

There's a You Tube video that compares the differences between the Uberti and Pietra 1858s. That may help you.

 

[D. Buck Stopshere]

The only Pietta Remington that had a factory-installed dove-tail front sight was the "Remington New Model Army .44 caliber Deluxe Model" introduced in 1985, and imported solely by Navy Arms Company for International Competition Shooting. It was identified by the dove-tail front sight and the silver-plated triggerguard.

Today, Dixie Gun Works sells it as the "Shooters Model" @ $950.00. The rest of the Pietta revolver models have the front sight pressed into the barrel.

 

[Crawdad1]

Wow, Buck, your Remmy is an accurate little cuss.

What, 10 hits in the 10 ring with 6 or better hits in the 10X ring?

 

[Ironhand54]

Looking more and more like this might be an original. If it is then I got the deal of a lifetime. I only paid $75.00 for it. More research needed.

IronHand

 

[tark]

Too bad it was Parkerized. If it is original that sure destroyed a lot of value. If not, you have a good shooter with a durable finish.

 

[Ironhand54]

Pretty sure it is a original. Anyone know where I can get it restored?

Ironhand

 

[tark]

If that gun is parkerized with some of the markings buffed out it isn't a realistic candidate for restoration. You could try Doug Turnbull Restorations but you will be well into five figures....If he will take on the work. The resultant restored pistol will have limited collector value, and will be worth less than a beat up original that has never been touched. It would never be worth as much as the restoration costs. Sorry to be so negative, but that's just how the collector world is. But....what do they know, anyway.?

Remember, whatever you choose, that gun will always be worth whatever you can get for it.

 

[jmar]

Pretty sure it is a original. Anyone know where I can get it restored?

Ironhand

Can you post some pictures so we can better tell who made it? If it was an original why would someone grind then parkarize it? Is the sight a silver cone or a steel pillar? Where are the serial numbers stamped? There are companies that stamp the Remington address on replicas. Maybe someone ground it off partially when they sold it to avoid confusion that it's not real.

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

One of the easiest ways to discount the possibility of it being an original would be to pull a couple screws and check threads. If they are metric, it's not an original. If that happens to be beyond your skill set, any gunsmith or tool shop should be able to handle it and have an answer in a few minutes. If you come up with imperial measurements, it's at least a possibility it could be an original. However as already eluded to, the evidence given so far makes that seem unlikely.

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

Either way a shooter in good shape is definitely worth more than the $75.00 you paid for it. Anything else is a bonus. I have seen guns that were in half of the condition that this gun appears to be in that have sold for 2 to 3 times the amount you paid for it.. If it were to be by chance an original even if mucked up that would just be icing on the cake to me.

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

Maybe this will help:

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/removing-parkerized-finish.178339/