1858 Uberti in 36 caliber

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I am thinking about buying a Uberti New Model Navy in 36 caliber. Does anyone have any information on this model? Does it have any problems like the Colt style do? Can I use .375 round balls? Any and all information and suggestions are welcome. I currently shoot a Pietta ‘51 Navy in 36 caliber.
 
hawg said:
I would prefer .380 balls but it's a good gun, you wont regret it.
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Where do you find .380 balls? I only have seen.375, both from Speer and Hornady. I think Speer has discontinued their .375.
 
So...I'm still confused, are they making a smaller version, or is the "New Model Navy" still a New Model Army, of Navy caliber? I have an Uberti "New Model Army of Navy Caliber". and I absolutely love it. It's a bit of a tank, but you can sure get a bunch of powder in that long cylinder, and she's laser accurate. When I head up to the mountains, and take a cap-n-ball, it's usually my choice over my 1860. Balls work great, but it shoots slugs very accurately and with "authority". ! And it's still not so heavy that it's uncomfortable to carry. I've trekked many a mile with it on me hip. Put some grouse in the pot with it too. remnvyotft.jpg And, she has NEVER jammed or miss-fired.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
So...I'm still confused, are they making a smaller version, or is the "New Model Navy" still a New Model Army, of Navy caliber? I have an Uberti "New Model Army of Navy Caliber". and I absolutely love it. It's a bit of a tank, but you can sure get a bunch of powder in that long cylinder, and she's laser accurate. When I head up to the mountains, and take a cap-n-ball, it's usually my choice over my 1860. Balls work great, but it shoots slugs very accurately and with "authority". ! And it's still not so heavy that it's uncomfortable to carry. I've trekked many a mile with it on me hip. Put some grouse in the pot with it too.View attachment 1043211And, she has NEVER jammed or miss-fired.
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What diameter balls do you use? What conicals do you prefer?
 
From Wikipedia:
Remington Army revolver is large-framed revolver in .44 caliber with an 8-inch barrel length. The Remington Navy revolver is slightly smaller framed than the Army and in .36 caliber with a 7.375 inch [Beals Navy 7.5 inch] barrel length. There were three progressive models made: the Remington-Beals Army & Navy (1860–1862), the 1861 Army & Navy (1862–1863), and the New Model Army & Navy (1863–1875).[3] The three models are nearly identical in size and appearance. Subtle but noticeable differences in hammers, loading levers, and cylinders help identify each model. The 1861 Remington actually transitioned into New Model appearance by late 1862, slowly transforming throughout 1862, due to continual improvement suggestions from the U. S. Ordnance Department.
 
The .375's work good in this/my pistol. The LEE 130 grain slug works well in it. Also I like the "Kaidos", right around 140 grains. The most accurate slug I have/use was a design by the "Outlaw Kid", we call it the "KREAL" it's more of a SWC than the Kaidos, which have a bore diameter nose, but with a large metplat. The "KREAL" has a short nose, with a wide metplat, and a sharp shoulder, like a SWC. It is also three-diameter, the base is .360", the mid-band (two grooves) is .370", and then the wide forward band is .380". The lube grooves are nice and deep. In my pistol it is the most accurate, and with the small base fastest to load.

Having said all that, the LEE 130 is an excellent bullet.
 
Lyle said:
From Wikipedia:
Remington Army revolver is large-framed revolver in .44 caliber with an 8-inch barrel length. The Remington Navy revolver is slightly smaller framed than the Army and in .36 caliber with a 7.375 inch [Beals Navy 7.5 inch] barrel length. There were three progressive models made: the Remington-Beals Army & Navy (1860–1862), the 1861 Army & Navy (1862–1863), and the New Model Army & Navy (1863–1875).[3] The three models are nearly identical in size and appearance. Subtle but noticeable differences in hammers, loading levers, and cylinders help identify each model. The 1861 Remington actually transitioned into New Model appearance by late 1862, slowly transforming throughout 1862, due to continual improvement suggestions from the U. S. Ordnance Department.
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They were still making improvements as late as 1863.
 
gtrgy888 said:
This is just my opinion, but I’ll happily buy an 1858 Navy Remington replica from any company when they finally make one. Army frames and barrels bored down to .36 don’t count and I wouldn’t encourage them to make more by buying one.
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You know, I agree with you, but on the other hand I'd never trade my NMA bored down (?!?!?!?!?) to .36 caliber for a replica Navy Remington. It's been a dang good companion, I've carried it many a mile in the mountains without undue stress on my belt, and that long NMA cylinder packs a lot of powder behind a slug, it's a good powerful gun, and "superbly" accurate. I'd love to have the "correct" replica of the Remington .36, but I don't think I'd trade my NMA of Navy caliber for one, I'd want them both. !!!

However, since the oversize version of the Remington Navy is a nice gun, accurate and powerful, and handles well with the shorter barrel, I don't think the chance is good that people will stop buying them.

But I see where you are coming from.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
You know, I agree with you, but on the other hand I'd never trade my NMA bored down (?!?!?!?!?) to .36 caliber for a replica Navy Remington. It's been a dang good companion, I've carried it many a mile in the mountains without undue stress on my belt, and that long NMA cylinder packs a lot of powder behind a slug, it's a good powerful gun, and "superbly" accurate. I'd love to have the "correct" replica of the Remington .36, but I don't think I'd trade my NMA of Navy caliber for one, I'd want them both. !!!

However, since the oversize version of the Remington Navy is a nice gun, accurate and powerful, and handles well with the shorter barrel, I don't think the chance is good that people will stop buying them.

But I see where you are coming from.
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I have no doubts it’s a shooter. .36 with extra capacity makes for nice velocity. How many grains of powder max out the chambers on one of those?
 
I'm not sure on the max, but in my gun I run 24 grains of 4fg underneath a slug, which leaves some space above the nose of the bullet, enough that I don't worry about a bullet that does not want to seat deep enough in the field. I think when I was doing load development I put in 26 grains without intending to, and that maxed it out with the LEE bullet, one or two chambers I had to shave the nose off the bullet so that the cylinder would rotate. But 24 grains of 4fg under a 140 grain slug that I have that is only a hair longer than the LEE bullet pops off pretty good.

My guess is that it would hold at least 30 grains under a ball. Next time she's unloaded I'll fill the chamber to the brim, dump it out and weigh it. I'd be curious as to how much a '51 will hold, if anyone is interested in that.
 
Both Uberti and Armi San Paolo made NMNs for Lyman early on. Both were smaller (smaller frame and grip and shorter barrel) than their respective early NMAs. I have not yet acquired an ASM NMN but the pictures that I have seen of them on GB make them seem smaller framed as well. 1858 .36 caliber revolvers are apparently much scarcer than their big brothers and priced accordingly. Good Luck with your search!
 
I can get thirty in my Pietta .36 Remington. Over engineered and built like a tank. Contra-historic but a real shooter. These have their own particular sound. My 51 and 61 don't boom like that big Remington.
 
That's what I'm talking about! I don't know for certain, but I suspect the NMA's in Navy caliber are probably the most powerful .36 caliber revolvers. And they aren't really tanks to carry around. My Uberti weighs 42.5 ounces loaded. That's not too bad. A Colt Navy I had weighed in at 43.25 ounces. I have a few pistols, both cap-n-ball and new fangled ones, that weigh in that 41-43 ounce range, and have carried them all hunting and hiking, and they are all in the "comfort" zone.

My Lyman Plains Pistol weighs in at 43.8 ounce, and she'll blow all the cap-n-ball pistols out of the water, including the Walker and Dragoons. (yeah yeah, but they have five more shots before they run dry...I know)(if they don't jam)

My 1860 weighs 43 ounces, but of course she throws a much bigger chunk of lead. But still, she don't outweigh a '60, and a '60 isn't a bad iron to lug around.
 
Makes me kinda curious how fast a 36 ball would be flying with 30 grains behind it - anyone chrono? Can you do that is, say, a conical or other type of slug?
 
Black powder revolvers are quite barrel length dependent for velocity.

I’d imagine that shorter barreled Remington .36 is not producing any better velocities than a 7.5” Colt Navy.

Count me as one that will not buy one of the portly oversized Italian “Navy” Remington’s. If they ever decide to make them with the proper reduced dimensions and weight as the real deals, I’d buy one is a second.
 
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