1863 Pocket Remington in .31 caliber long distance shooting ?

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This is a modified ASM : larger grips (ivory painted wood, homemade), higher front sight (dovetailed)and shortened loading lever spring mounted (the retaining stud in the barrel broke and I do not use the loading lever anyway).

Loaded on hand press : 10gr. BP, 4 gr.cormeal, 322cal. ball , and crisco

Shooting 2handhold, at 25 meters, aiming POA :

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All 25 bullets reached the target and 50% reached the black part : Some shooters in my club don't do that with modern 9MM auto !!!!

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That's pretty spiffy! Shows the accuracy that can be obtained from these little guns with steady hands, consistent loading, and a serious interest in pushing a .31 pocket pistol to limits it was never designed for! :D
 
Very nice indeed!


How 'bout some additional images showing the details of the little Remington?
 
Hee hee hee

Love it !
All shots are in the human torso size, perfect :D
Need to find yourself or make yourself some mini conicals now and realy see what she can punch in paper .
Yeh , more photos of the gun please . :D
Now you needs a Steel Frame version and get real serious like :evil:
Nice shootin .

Das Jaeger :)

PS...........I would love to see the results of some of those little Wadcutter bullets for the .32 they make out of that gun there . With a massive meplat on it , it would put a world of hurt on someone , or something too , hee hee hee .
 
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Lovely...what a sweet little Revolver.


And, Yes, as Das Jaeger mentions, .32 Cal' Wadcutters' would probably be really nice in this, and, would be about as effective a defence round as possible, too.
 
And now, some test with a Pietta steel frame.
The front sight has been changed to a higher dovetailed one and grips changed to thicker ones.

Same conditions of shooting as with the ASM revolver, but the alignment of chambers with bore is better with the Pietta.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=110956&stc=1&d=1260725961

There is some improvement compared to the ASM : Out of 7 cylinders ( 35 balls) all balls reached the target ; the 4 last cylinders clustered quite nicely

The thick grips makes it very comfortable to shoot


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I have a Pietta. Replaced the loading lever after I broke it and resorted to seating with a ball starter. Your shooting is quite good. I never worked up the nerve to try it at that distance.
 
I like what you did with the grips. Your shooting is very good, more should try their revolvers at longer range. Your groups are what some shoot at 1/2 the distance.

While I am not normally in the high velocity camp, the conicals, when fired from a C&B revovler are just not going fast enough to give more than mediocre results when they hit the target. The round ball is by far the better projectile for the C&B revovler. The other thing going against most conicals is the rifling is set for the shorter round ball. If one could get a short conical, say no longer than the round ball but with a flat base, that might be a good bullet but it would still be slower than the round ball.

I base my comments on work I did with 44 C&B revolvers, it might not be the same in 31 land but I believe it is.
 
I agree,it's tough to get a conicals to go fast enough to stop that darn keyholing,and even when you do,they shoot a full six inches lower at fifty yards.I'm sticking with round ball.
 
Hello,

As for bullets, apart from the difficulty of obtaining optimum sealing and loading conditions, I would not expect accuracy with them because of the slow twist of rifling and short barrel of this pistol;

in my experience with cap§ball revolver I obtain good accuracy with conical with fast twist pistols ( e.g. recent Uberti 1858 whatever 5.5 or 8" barrel) or slow twist associated with a long barrel (e.g. Pietta 8" 1858) allowing sufficient spin.
My test with 3" or 4" slow twist pistols ( e.g. Pietta 1860 snubnose, Pietta 1858 4" 1858) revealed poor accuracy for bullets.

Hope you enjoyed this test

PS : all my testing, whatever handgun, are done at 25 meters not because of any particular philosophy but only because this is the only distance allowed at my range!!
However it happened that when the range was empty, I approached half-way or nearer to discover where some pistol, notably these Pockets before sight modifications, was shooting. Because as you imagine, these pockets are not shooting that way right out of the box !!

Ther is another range where I could shoot BP pistols at 50 meters but I have not yet tried ........

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Thanks for testing

Wow.That is some good fun ain't it?.I have the steel frame Pietta and love it. The one thing that I did was to measure my chambers and bore.The chambers came out to .315 and the barrel bore to .323.I am debating on if I should make the chambers match the bore.What do you get for measurements?
I know a guy on the CAS City forum that has used his to harvest rabbit.They are a bunch of fun.A big difference between the .31 and a .32 H&R Mag loaded hot.I love'em both
Read that a guy made a trigger guard out of a billet of brass to fit.
 
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Nicely done. I've only shot mine at 7 yards, which really is enough excitement for my old heart. ;-)

I like the stag grips - did you make those or can you buy them somewhere?
 
I haven't heard of .322" balls before, do you cast them yourself?

Most of my lead balls come from Cabela's, I only have .315" ones for my pocket guns. Have you by chance tried other diameters in your 1863? Are the results very different?
 
0 buck shot is .320", and I've seen .323" RB molds.

.315" RB's are a little bit too small from what I've read. Using the larger RB's have given an additional 100 fps or more. If you can find some try 'em.
 
I have a Pietta. Replaced the loading lever after I broke it and resorted to seating with a ball starter.
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XLint idea that! I hadn't thought of using a ball starter. WOW, gots to go try that one. I have an old ASM brasser .31. Neat shootin' gun. Mine had a brass bead front sight, shot way high. I pulled the bead out and installed a chunk of braising rod and trimmed to POA. I get about 7-8" at 25 with it, but haven't played much with loads.

I've shot a lot of 00 buck in mine, it works fine. I have a ball/conical mold, too. The conical is pretty nasty looking, pointed. Weighs 60 grains.

Yeah, the loading lever on mine is pretty flimsy. I would prefer to load on a press, but my press is .44 only. The ball starter never entered my feeble little mind. :rolleyes:
 
faust: I've seen this somewhere quite some time back. I've looked for it, but can't seem to find it. Can you post a link?

"Read that a guy made a trigger guard out of a billet of brass to fit."
 
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