1895 Mauser at sportsman guide

[Flyboy73]

I see in the latest catalog Sportsman guide is selling pre 1898 Mauser's. They list in either 7mm or .308.

They seem indicate they are 1895 Mauser. However the rifle pictured is a Turkish 1893 Mauser.

Just wondering if anyone had ordered one and what they got.


http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=532481


Brion

 

[Vonderek]

I saw that they're selling for $399. Tapco had a batch a couple years ago for $99 ea. We should start a "Turkish Mauser Price Gouging" thread.

 

[garyhan]

These same mausers are available at Interordnance for substantially less. They are not listed on their website (last I checked), but can be found in their ads in Shotgun News.

gary

 

[Beagle-zebub]

Funny that, how they were made 60 years before the cartridge they're chambered in.

Can anyone comment as to whether it is safe to chamber a small-ring Mauser like these in .308 Winchester? Some people seem to think it isn't.

 

[lionking]

The ad has me totally confused.But personally I would go for a Mauser in it's original chambering.

I just picked up a very nice all matching 1895 Argentine Mauser off gunbroker for a $100 more than they are listed on that add and without a doubt I know what I got and saw it before hand in photos.

I would suggest waiting for the right auction instead of relying on that puzzling add in this case.

 

[lionking]

And there is the Argentine 1909 that is often found on gunbroker and auctionarms,that while some sellers try to get alot of money for a excellent one,with patience you can find a nice one at a reasonable price ($450 to $500 maybe a little less) with all matching numbers and shiney bore,like this one I got from gunbroker in Dec.I watched many go by,because they were steap in price but with patience you can find the right deal,Brazilian 1908's and Chilean 1895's are often for sale also,both superb rifles.

And another ecxellent rifle in a lower price range is the Czech 98/22 and the Persian Mauser,I'd go for those before those seen listed at Sportsman's at that price.For carbine 98's the K98 Russian captures and Yugoslavian Mausers are a good deal in the $200 to $350 price range,often in excellent like new condition or excellent refurb condition.

 

[garyhan]

Many 7mm 95 Mausers were converted to 7.62x51 after the adoption of that cartridge. These conversions were done by Spain and various South American countries. As to the safety of these conversions (and the question of whether .308 should be fired in 7.62x51 chambers), there are a zillion opinions out there.

gary

 

[rbernie]

I have a fair bit of experience with the Chilean and Swedish small ring Mausers. They are probably safe for 308, but I'm not a fan of the conversions and I won't have one. The 308 chambering, in SAAMI spec, runs at 10%-15% greater chamber pressure than did/does 7x57. These rifles have a ring diameter that doesn't give a large margin of safety form a wall thickness perspective, and I do not trust that the steel alloy is sufficiently perfect to be safe for continuous use at 308 pressures. The quality of the steel in these rifles was very high for its time, but we ARE talking about 1890's smelting and alloy and heat treatment QA/QC.

Oh, and keep in mind that any paperless rifle will command a premium; a Chilean sold thru a storefront will sell for half of what a paperless version will command.

 

[lionking]

my mistake just realized it,the Argentine I posted is a 1891 up top....duh

 

[Flyboy73]

I picked up one of the excelleant 1895 Chilien mausers in 7MM from IO a month ago. Rifle was in great shape.

Was thinking it was from the same lot and maybe would add a .308 to go along with my 7mm.

IO was sold out of the .308

Not sure about the sportsman guide, since they have a turkish mauser pictured.

With my buyers club would cost me $316 and could make 4 monthly payments.

Brion

 

[NCsmitty]

Always be aware that any pre-98 Mauser was originally designed and chambered for lower pressure rounds. Often they are small ring actions and lack the third locking lug and the ability to handle gas from a pierced primer or cracked case.
If chambered or rechambered in 7.62x51 NATO, they are subjected to around 50,000 psi using that round. Usually these rifles were designed for around 45,000psi.
The big problem is when people use 308 Winchester ammo in these rifles, as that round generates 60,000psi+.
It's possible for bad things to happen.
A nice 98 Mauser is a much better choice.

NCsmitty

 

[Doucme2]

I've been eyeing the Sportsmans guide ads for the pre 98 7mm mausers. The ads priced them at $399 + $20 to ship. I ran a search of the site and lo and behold one popped up for $319 and seemed to be in better shape then the others. I know I'm buying a pig in a poke but the supply is eventually going to dry up and I like the idea of buying paperless so after searching for a SG coupon on line (found one for 15) the rifle ran right at $300. Hope I won't want to use it on myself. Now as to pressure. Sellier & Bellot is making 20 round boxes of 7mm 139 gr SP boxer primed for around $17 a box selling at J&G Sales. Does anyone know if this currently produced ammo is too hot for the old mausers. I would rather buy this than try the crap being sold as surplus now. I figure I'd rather have to pull the bullets and reload if necessary than worry about berdan primed hang fires or duds. I would appreciate any comments even from you who think I probably threw the money away. SG is now out of the old mausers in 308 ( SCARY PRESSURE PROBLEMS) and are selling some ratty looking carbines for $296 (Clob Price). If anyone is still considering buying, the coupon SG1955 ($15) expires on the 31st.

 

[sandy4570]

I have Chilean Modello 1895 in .308 Nato , order via the mail and had them ship to my home before reporting to new station at Ft. Hood ,TX. My experience with .308 shooting off this rifle was not pleasant because the stock has narrow comb and the recoil would drove the stock straight to my cheek bone and after 20 rounds my cheek would be numb. I guess it was mean to be fire with 7X57 Mauser which sligtly milder (I would have claim that it was very mild if not for the FN made batch surplus that kick like a mule ).There are debate over the safety issue of .308 Nato chamber in Old Mauser rifle namely the 1893/95 and some argue that it was only applied to Spainish rifle due to its poor steel and the Chilean should be safe because it made by German. I could careless because my face hurt everytime I shot this rifle so I got 7.62X39 insert from Cabela and put it on and then I ordered short magazine conversion kit from GPC and turn my Chilean in to excessively long 7.62X39 mm rifle and I also put taller frontsight from Brownell on so it become my favoite plinker until the 7.62X39 ammo price gone through the roof . If you want to get Modello 1895 ,stick with 7X57 MM and your cheek bone will thank you , if you want Mauser in .308 Nato , find the Isarelli one, they don't hurt as bad

 

[eastbank]

i would like to show you a 1891 saddle ring carbine in 7.65 belgian i got a little time ago,all matching numbers and in very good condition with a ex bore. i reload a 170gr round nose bullet to 2100fps that is safe in this nice little carbine and i look forward to hunting deer this year with it. if i had a 1893 mauser changed to 308 i would reload a 150gr round nose at 2200-2300fps and use that or cast bullets. eastbank.