32 ACP Rifle Chamber Insert from sportsman guide

[Flyboy73]

Just saw Sportsman guide has a chamber insert so you can shoot 32 acp in your 30-06, .303 or .308 rifle.

Thought might be fun to shoot some 32 acp out of enfield 2a.

Anyone try these? Accuracy any good?

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=458585

Brion

 

[rocpyro]

Wow, that looks pretty neat!

 

[elmerfudd]

I've got one in 30-06. It's a different model than the one pictured though. Accuracy is alright, but not great. I was getting about 4" groups at 100 yards with a rifle that normally is a 1.5 MOA rifle. I never really tried to figure out what shot best out of it though, so perhaps it is capable of much more.

With a 21" barrel the report was somewhat louder than a .22lr and a little quieter than a .22wmr.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm

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22 Hornet in:
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(Available in Stainless ONLY)
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22 Shot (Offset) in:
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30 Carbine in:
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30 Mauser in:
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30 Luger in:
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32 Short Colt, 32 Long, 32 H&R in:
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How about using the 7.62x39 in the 308 or 30-06?
Or the 308 in the 30-06?

As gun writer Roy Huntington said: "Duh...this was so obvious and simple."

Now you can turn your 308 or 30-06 into a 7.62x39 and take advantage of inexpensive ammo!

Simply coat the the outside of the adapter with non permanent Locktite™, place a fired 7.62x39 case inside the chamber and close the bolt. After 10-12 hours, eject the 7.62x39 case and you are ready to start shooting. Inexpensive Russian ammo costs 25-50% less than any regular 308 or 30-06. A broken shell extractor will remove the adapter and return the gun to it's original caliber. If you are careful, the adapter is reusable!

Also available in 308/30-06. Each kit includes one tube of Locktite™.

Complete kit: only $25.00. Broken shell extractors: $10.00

 

[R.W.Dale]

I've heard some horror stories about these temporary chamber inserts being a good deal more perminate than you would like

 

[D-Day]

Might be handy for varmints...

 

[dogloose]

I can't imagine dialing my scope from .308 to .32... seems like my hand would cramp up.

 

[jon_in_wv]

I would be interested in a 7.62x25 conversion for one of my rifles. The ammo is cheap and would be reasonably powerful for small game from a rifle.

Isn't that 30 mauser the same dimensions?

 

[kBob]

I e-mailed that manufacturer re using 7.62P in the .30 Mauser and he never responded.

I have used a .32ACP adaptor in a Savage 110 in .308 and got one inch groups at 25 yards. Some loads were supersonic from the rifle and some were not.

I have wondered how one of the 100 grain bullet loads some list for .32 ACP might work in the Savage, but do not have dies for .32ACP.

I have not shot for groups with the
.22LR in .223 as finding the rimfire firing pen adaptor after ejecting the conversion unit from the action of a semiauto has made loading slow and agrivating.

SOme time this year I plan to bite the bullet and try the Aquilla SSS in a 1-7 HBAR. Don't hold your breath waiting for the range report though.

-Bob Hollingsworth

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

I e-mailed that manufacturer re using 7.62P in the .30 Mauser and he never responded.

Site says that he works 3 jobs - how long did you give him? Wondering because I emailed him 2 days ago and am waiting also. Guess you got to put a credit card # in the email before he reads it, possibly?

 

[jrfoxx]

How about using the 7.62x39 in the 308 or 30-06?

Wouldnt .311" bullets in a .308" barrel cause insane lead/copper fouling? Beyond that, any chances of it causeing excess wear or high pressures due to the extra .003"? Or is .003" still a small enough difference to not be an issue? I know 3/1000ths of an inch is REALLY tiny, but when you are talking 50,000+ PSI, gunpowder, lead moving above the speed of sound, etc, it seems like even tiny things could be a problem.

Just wondering, as I love the idea of adding a little versatility in ammo, and especially using cheaper ammo for just plinking, but am curious about what effects using oversized bullets may have on a gun.I'll admit I have no real knowledge of the details on that kind of thing.

Also, on the Locktite thing, wouldnt getting ALL the locktite out when you want to go back to the original round be a serious pain, and again, possibly cause some issues if you dont get it all out? (like stuck cases, gas blowing back past the case, etc)

 

[HB]

I assume they just squeeze down, but leading would probably be a big problem, although it's not like I would shoot that many .32's. I also would think that the pressure of a .32 is pretty low compared to a .308

HB

 

[foghornl]

Hmmmmm

How much 'squeezing down to bore size' would a .32ACP bullet need to do to get down a .308-.311 size rifle bore?

 

[Vern Humphrey]

I prefer the Hammond Game Getter. I have one in .30-06.

Essentially, this is a standard cartridge case, but with a steel head. Instead of a primer pocket, it has a .22 RF chamber, offset so the firing pin will strike the rim. To use it, you insert a nail-driving blank in the chamber, and a buckshot in the case mouth.

Mine shoots 1" groups at 25 yards, printing right over the thick part of my lower crosshair. I carry it when deer hunting -- ever been on a deer stand and have squirrels try to carry you off?

 

[Ohen Cepel]

Is a .32 really .32? I don't have any references here. It may not be.

I have ordered from the guy in Alaska and was very happy with the product. Give him a little more time to get info to you or just order one.

 

[jrfoxx]

I also would think that the pressure of a .32 is pretty low compared to a .308

Very true. I was thinking more along the lines of the 7.62x39 adapter from the other company that was posted, on the pressure thing. With the hangun calibers, I agree pressure is probly a non-issue.

I show a .32ACP bullet as being .312" according to my Speer relaoding manual, so now we are up to an increase of .004" actually for that conversion in a .308" bbl. (In a .303 rifle, you should be fine, as they actually use .312" bullets standard normally. )

In .308", it would probly lead pretty bad with un-jacketed bullets. I also wonder how that much "squeezing" will effect the jacket on a fmj. lots of copper fouling? possible tearing or severe weakening of the jacket?

not trying to "put down" these peoples invention/product, or discourage anyone, I honestly dont know the answers to what effects the size difference will have, and am genuinly curious about it. I also am kinda interested in the idea myself, but if it is going to cause excessive fouling, excessive barrel wear, etc, I'd like to know about it before I find out the hard way, ya know? I figure a bunch of people more knowledgeable than me will have better answers on the effects of .003-.004" "squeezing" than I do.

 

[Titan6]

Inexpensive Russian ammo costs 25-50% less than any regular 308 or 30-06

I don't know about that.... You can get inexpensive ammo in 30-06 that is much higher quality for about the same price as cheap Russian Bear and Wolf.

 

[Hoppy590]

I've heard some horror stories about these temporary chamber inserts being a good deal more perminate than you would like

and we have a 12 gauge that is pretty much a permanent .410

we could get the insert out, but would destroy it in the process. we already have other 12's so we just leave it be.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

That's another reason why I like the Hammond Game Getter. It's basically a standard brass case with a steel head. The claw extractor on my M70 will remove it easily.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

What other companies besides that MCA sell these things?

 

[rfcjr]

After reading the posts about this .32 acp insert I decided to buy one in 30-06. It had a very hard fit into a 1917 enfield and after some emory cloth I got it to seat. But now I cannot remove it. It will not extract. Any type of rod I have goes right through the insert. There is no real "edge" on the insert to catch the rod when the rod is run from the muzzle end. Any suggestions on how to remove this insert? Thanks in advance.

 

[R.W.Dale]

After reading the posts about this .32 acp insert I decided to buy one in 30-06. It had a very hard fit into a 1917 enfield and after some emory cloth I got it to seat. But now I cannot remove it. It will not extract. Any type of rod I have goes right through the insert. There is no real "edge" on the insert to catch the rod when the rod is run from the muzzle end. Any suggestions on how to remove this insert? Thanks in advance.

HMMMMM! What was that I posted months ago


OK enough gloating,

Have you tried a broken shell extractor?

 

[elmerfudd]

That's interesting. I was wondering how they would get stuck, but I didn't look closely enough at the link. My own 30-06/32 ACP adapter is totally different. With mine, the adapter has it's own firing pin, the 32 cartridge sits up at the very tip, and the adapter has to be removed from the rifle with every shot so that you can fit another .32 in it.

If I were trying to get something like that out, I think that I would take a wooden dowel that was as tight a fit as I could find and then drill a small hole down it's center. I would then cut it about 2" long and tap that into the adapter. At that point I would put a screw into that hole I had drilled so as to make the dowel fit extremely tightly in the adapter and then run a rod down the barrel and try to tap the thing out.

If that didn't work I would repeat the process, except this time I might just epoxy the rod into the adapter.

 

[rfcjr]

Thanks for the suggestion. I will certainly give that idea a try. If I might ask, what brand or kind of insert do you have? It sounds a little more practical than what I have.

 

[elmerfudd]

I think mine is an RWS. I'm not really sure though. It's not that practical in any event. Maybe if I had five of them so that I could fill up the magazine I might feel differently.

As it is you put the cartridge in the end of the adapter, fire, then extract the adapter, remove the casing, replace it with a new cartridge and then chamber the whole thing.