1909 Mausers

[Visionz45]

I'm thinking on a Argentine (German DWM) 1909 Mauser. Anyone own or shot one? Reloading data if you don't mind sharing?

 

[foggy]

I had one, they are very well made. Sorry, I don't reload so I don't have any data. Hopefully the barrel is better than mine was, it was sewer pipe condition so I did not try shooting it.

 

[Savage99]

That particular mauser was a favorite to make into a sporter when old military rifles were cheap. These days high prices are being asked for old army guns.

There is a dealer here who has an original 1909 in very nice condition and the price is way up there. I forget how much but $500 would be close.

They say those old actions were soft and should be reheatreated if shot with full loads. The rifle comes with a hinged floorplate which is desireable.

I happen to have a 1909 that someone spent big bucks on rebarreling and putting a fancy stock on. They never get their money back on those projects.

Loading data is at Hogdon and other places.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

They say those old actions were soft and should be reheatreated if shot with full loads.

THEY would be wrong! These are the BEST of the 98 Mausers.

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

I had one years ago. It's fit and finish was superb, especially for a military rifle. Ammo was hard to find so, like a fool I sold it. Only paid $75. back in the 70's. Those were the days.

 

[wrench]

Gorgeous rifles, beautiful wood, beautiful metal. I have one that was made in 1913, it shoots the lights out.
If you get one, we'll need pictures!

 

[dirtyjim]

i have two of them and i'm looking for a cavalry carbine.
both of mine are good shooters, factory ammo is available & so far thats all i've shot.

They say those old actions were soft and should be reheatreated if shot with full loads.

the 1909's were hardened to argentinas spec's and the way they were hardened has confused people for the last 70 years and will probably confuse them for many years to come. argie 1909 receivers are selectively hardened in specific areas, the locking lugs and the area above the trigger. the rest of the receiver is not hardened & does not need to be.
i think the soft receiver claim comes from people who had their receivers rc tested on the wrong equipment. way to many places punch through the hardness layer and get their reading from the softer metal thats underneath. if you have a mauser received rc testyed you need to make sure they are familiar with testing case hardened metals

i've yet to actually see an argie 1909 with lug setback. i've heard about it & i'm sure it does exist but its not as common as people claim. i've seen more lug setback in turk k kales followed closely by WWII era german mod98's than any other receiver & i've probably handled around 100 mauser receivers of various makes

 

[MMCSRET]

I have a 1909 Peruvian contract mauser. Oberndorf Intermediate length, originally chambered in 7.65X53, same as the Argentine. Mine had been sporterized into a 308 with a Remington M721, 30-06 barrel, chamber shortened and rethreaded to 308. Barrel was junk(read-High Tech Jack Handle) so rather than lengthen the magazine box I had it rebarreled to 7-08. 20" carbine, fantastic shooter, light, easy to carry and a fine mauser sporting rifle in a light recoiling cartridge.

 

[aka108]

The Argentine 1909 action is about as smooth a bolt action as you will ever find. The workmanship on the DWM rifles is excellent. If you get one with a good bore youwill enjoy it. For reloading, using 7.65 Argentine dies you can reform 8mm mauser, 30-06 and a few other cases tothe proper size for the rifle. 180 gr 303 bullets are the same as the 7.65. I guess you could use 30 cal bullets if you don't mind them rattling down the barrel and gas cutting you bore. The Argentine 09's used to be very common on the surplus market but not so now. If you get ahold of a really nice one, leave it in original condition. I was lucky and able to obtain a Argentine contract 09 and a Peruvian contract 09 made by Mauser. The quality, fit and finish of these old mass produced military rifles is better than all but the most expensive custom rifles made today.

 

[Cosmoline]

Many were sporterized over the years. If you want the action, you can find these on gb frequently. The intact ones are getting harder to find and are among the very best military Mauser rifles ever made.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

The last one I bought was a Calvary Carbine made in Argentina as opposed to DWM in Germany. These were much more rare than their German counterparts(about 20,000 made between ,roughly,1947 and 1952). Some-one had chopped the stock but the metal was intact so I bought an appropriate stock(correct manu. but poor condition). Traded it to another C&R holder for a Chinese Mauser receiver with a new Latin contract barrel to build a sporter on.

 

[Visionz45]

Thanks for the input, I'm thrilled that I bought it now. Now just waiting for it to arrive. I will post pics when I get my hands on it.

 

[Visionz45]

Would 8mm Mauser be the best candidate for resizing brass?

 

[MMCSRET]

I found that commercial 308 Winchester cases were easiest to neck up and load for 7.65X53. The 308 case is only 2MM shorter and will grow with every firing. Lots easier than sizing, trimming etc to make longer cases work. Give it a try!!!

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Factory 7.65x53 ammo(Partisan Prvi from Serbia) is available from AIMSURPLUS for a reasonable price. It is brass cased so you get a good factory round and a reloadable case. win-win. ETA; I just checked and Aimsurplus is sold out of 7.65x53 ammo.

 

[Gelgoog]

Argentines are by far my favorite mausers. I have 2 1981s and 3 1909s. The 1909 long rifle are often found in near mint condition like mine is. Absolutely the most beautiful mausers ever produced. I also have a 1909 cavalry carbine, and a very rare 1909 mountain carbine...both are excellently made. I am also sitting on about 1,000 rounds of surplus 7.65 argentine....so I am well stocked.