Dueling1911s
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chiappa is owned by high point or vice versa. no surprise on its quality
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sirgilligan
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I am waiting for a Browning 1911 22. I saw one of the fancy models at a gun store in Cody Wy. a couple weeks back. My brother teased me, "You said you wanted one, there it is!" Well, I can't afford the fancy one, but the plain jane will be just right for me.
Another plug for the GSG - it's enough like a regular 1911 that all of the training skills you use shooting it will be the same. Trigger may be slightly different but unless you shoot only one 1911 you're going to have that anyway.
I was at a local shop and they had one they some they made a special purchase on, got mine for around $270 out the door. It's been flawless with everything I've fed it and I notice no difference switching out to other guns.
I was at a local shop and they had one they some they made a special purchase on, got mine for around $270 out the door. It's been flawless with everything I've fed it and I notice no difference switching out to other guns.
ken grant
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I have the GSG, an Advantage Arms kit and a Ciener kit.
Have had several Colt Ace and Service Ace over the past yrs.
Prefer the GSG over all of the others
Have had several Colt Ace and Service Ace over the past yrs.
Prefer the GSG over all of the others
Doubting Thomas
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I first got acquainted with the Colt conversion unit way back in the mid 60s, and got my own in 1974. Found it at a gun show for $70. The previous owner had clogged up the infamous floating chamber. I used it quite a lot while shooting IPSC, then set it aside. Had few problems with functioning; as I recall I used CCI Green Tag ammo at the time.
Years later I got it out again and found that the ammo I was running through it would plug it up in half a box of shooting. Luckily Federal bulk HVHP ammo shoots very clean in it and it runs free for hundreds of rounds with that stuff. With the prices of ammo (and even components now) I shoot it quite lot nowadays. Unfortunately they're long out of production and pricey now--but if you feed them clean burning ammo they run quite well.
I doubt that they'll outshoot a dedicated target pistol or unit, but they're just fine for plinking or sub caliber practice for a defensive pistol. Mine sits on a Gold Cup frame and looks pretty classy.
Years later I got it out again and found that the ammo I was running through it would plug it up in half a box of shooting. Luckily Federal bulk HVHP ammo shoots very clean in it and it runs free for hundreds of rounds with that stuff. With the prices of ammo (and even components now) I shoot it quite lot nowadays. Unfortunately they're long out of production and pricey now--but if you feed them clean burning ammo they run quite well.
I doubt that they'll outshoot a dedicated target pistol or unit, but they're just fine for plinking or sub caliber practice for a defensive pistol. Mine sits on a Gold Cup frame and looks pretty classy.
BullfrogKen
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I bought a Kimber .22 slide last year. I'm very pleased with it. And mine will work just fine with Federal bulk ammo as well. One of the best gun accessories I ever bought.
Skylerbone
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I believe Ciener makes the Kimber unit. I had several opportunities to look at the GSG and when I finally decided to jump my LSG had sold both. He had a new Chiappa in stock but suggested I take a pass on it.
The GSG looked to be a winner and is also sold as the Sig, rebranded.
The GSG looked to be a winner and is also sold as the Sig, rebranded.
BullfrogKen
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Start another thread, or this will get bogged down with that banter.
Peter M. Eick
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I shot one and it was not bad. Reliable, reasonably accurate but it just lacked that feeling of quality that I like in a firearm. It just felt cheaply made to me. My suggestion is to handle one before you buy.
I have money down on a Browning 1911 22 for my daughter.
I have money down on a Browning 1911 22 for my daughter.
Flatlander1
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Years ago I had a government model 45 and a Colt 22 conversion kit. Liked shooting it but it was a hassle to change over. It seemed like whenever I was planning on shooting, I had the wrong slide on the gun.
It was fun to shoot, so several months ago I bought a Kimber 1911 rimfire. I like the gun but it has one drawback. My wife started shooting it and fell in love with it. I'm now relegated to keeping the 3 magazines loaded while she's using it.
It was fun to shoot, so several months ago I bought a Kimber 1911 rimfire. I like the gun but it has one drawback. My wife started shooting it and fell in love with it. I'm now relegated to keeping the 3 magazines loaded while she's using it.
I recently bought a used marvel unit 1 on gunbroker. For me I shoot mostly 9mm 1911's but have a 45ACP that I did not shoot very often. The marvel is unbeleivable. Accuracy is amazing. The mags are a little tight with 10 rounds but with 9 the reliability was great with decent ammo. I practiced mag changes for about an hour a few weeks ago and getting back on target. The 22lr 1911 was very productive while saving a few bucks on ammo. I also have an airsoft 2011 and the trigger is not the same. The marvel on my frame really is perfect for my setup. It is on a DW PM-7 45 and I have a DW PM-9 and a Guardian as well so the trigger is almost identical.
HisSoldier
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Here goes again, with apologies to those of you who have already bought one.
I've worked with metals for most of my 62 years, have owned a machine shop for 30 and have a lot of experience with almost every engineering material in common use anywhere. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to metals.
Many or all of the 1911 lookalikes now made have varying amounts of Zamak or some other zinc based alloy in them. Zamak (Any zinc alloy) is at the very bottom of the engineering materials group, in fact I can't imagine anyone other than a dishonest entrepreneur who would choose any zinc alloy as the main material of a gun with his name on it.
Colt's Ace, as far as I know they are made of good materials.
Kimber's conversion, the slide is aluminum, not my choice for best but a gazillion times better than zinc. (GSG's slide is supposedly aluminum but the frame is zinc)
As for the rest, I don't know.
But also, to say that any of them is a 1911 is a stretch, none of them locks up like a 1911, the Kimber and Colt are 1911 from the slide down, so the trigger and sear are the same, that's what you want right? Llama made a true 2/3 1911 in .22, all steel, if you can find one. But for the full sized 1911
I'd probably go for the Colt, as the slide is, I believe, steel, and though the admission price is high the value can only go up.
I just wish high quality gunmaking wasn't a dying art, and I wish the American gun buyers knew more about materials.
I've worked with metals for most of my 62 years, have owned a machine shop for 30 and have a lot of experience with almost every engineering material in common use anywhere. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to metals.
Many or all of the 1911 lookalikes now made have varying amounts of Zamak or some other zinc based alloy in them. Zamak (Any zinc alloy) is at the very bottom of the engineering materials group, in fact I can't imagine anyone other than a dishonest entrepreneur who would choose any zinc alloy as the main material of a gun with his name on it.
Colt's Ace, as far as I know they are made of good materials.
Kimber's conversion, the slide is aluminum, not my choice for best but a gazillion times better than zinc. (GSG's slide is supposedly aluminum but the frame is zinc)
As for the rest, I don't know.
But also, to say that any of them is a 1911 is a stretch, none of them locks up like a 1911, the Kimber and Colt are 1911 from the slide down, so the trigger and sear are the same, that's what you want right? Llama made a true 2/3 1911 in .22, all steel, if you can find one. But for the full sized 1911
I'd probably go for the Colt, as the slide is, I believe, steel, and though the admission price is high the value can only go up.
I just wish high quality gunmaking wasn't a dying art, and I wish the American gun buyers knew more about materials.
With all due respect, I know metals as well and feel for the application and price point the "metal" used in the GSG suits the use just fine. Zamak has been successfully used in 22's for quite some time now and has proven to hold up well (Walther P22 comes to mind). Would I want a knife made from it or a centerfire pistol? Heck no, but it does the job for an overbuilt low energy 22.
I also take umbrage with the implication that we "Americans" are not intelligent consumers. I don't think anyone here is saying these are world class guns. If I want to shoot a world class 22 I'll grab my 41 or 617, of course neither is really practice for my 1911's.
For $300 if it only lasts 15000-20000 rounds I'll gladly melt it in my forge and make a door stop then get another 20 years of use from it. Based on the wear I've seen on mine I think it will last a lot longer.
These guns have a purpose, they closely replicate the feel, weight and firing of a genuine 1911 and fire dirt cheap ammo. People may choose to make more of them, but that's what they are.
The guns you are comparing them to are over double the price and up. Some Colt ACE's go for 5-10 times the price of the GSG. The current "Colt" is made by Umarex in Germany and not a shadow of the ACE. Pretty sure by the same people that make the Zamak Walther 22 mentioned above..
I also take umbrage with the implication that we "Americans" are not intelligent consumers. I don't think anyone here is saying these are world class guns. If I want to shoot a world class 22 I'll grab my 41 or 617, of course neither is really practice for my 1911's.
For $300 if it only lasts 15000-20000 rounds I'll gladly melt it in my forge and make a door stop then get another 20 years of use from it. Based on the wear I've seen on mine I think it will last a lot longer.
These guns have a purpose, they closely replicate the feel, weight and firing of a genuine 1911 and fire dirt cheap ammo. People may choose to make more of them, but that's what they are.
The guns you are comparing them to are over double the price and up. Some Colt ACE's go for 5-10 times the price of the GSG. The current "Colt" is made by Umarex in Germany and not a shadow of the ACE. Pretty sure by the same people that make the Zamak Walther 22 mentioned above..
Jed Carter
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Most of the dedicated .22 1911 clones have a less than acceptable trigger (at least to me). I have tried the SIG, GSG and Chiappa, I decided to pass on these and got a Kimber .22 conversion. It works well, and the trigger is just like my STI competition pistol, which it is. Or is it just like my SA Loaded Longslide...
atblis
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We need a chortle smilie.
Rex B
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I bought a nice Ciener Target model a few years ago. Then I built up a receiver for it. Nice gun, but I have about $450 in it.
I am also waiting on the Browning, but I want the miniature version. I understand they are making a full-size .22 and also the 80%.
Otherwise I'd buy the GSG. Lots of happy GSG owners out there.
I am also waiting on the Browning, but I want the miniature version. I understand they are making a full-size .22 and also the 80%.
Otherwise I'd buy the GSG. Lots of happy GSG owners out there.
Flatlander1
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At the present time I don't believe that Browning is making a full size 1911 .22 cal. They are making two 85% scale models of the original 1911 for their centennial celebration. One will have a 4 1/4" barrel and the other a 3 5/8" barrel. Both will weight around 15 oz.
I have one on order and have since also bought the Kimber 1911 rimfire which is 23 oz. I enjoy shooting the Kimber, as does my wife and I'm looking forward to the Browning.
I have one on order and have since also bought the Kimber 1911 rimfire which is 23 oz. I enjoy shooting the Kimber, as does my wife and I'm looking forward to the Browning.
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