1911 in 22 cal.
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Black Majik
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Honestly, as much as you dont want a conversion Kit, I think that is the best way to go.
Yeah, Kimber makes a full size 1911 in the .22 flavor, but it ain't all that great to be priced like that. I'd rather get some sort of 1911 and add a conversion kit, and you can still be CHEAPER than the Kimber .22. That gun be all hype. Actually not even hype since it usually gets so-so reviews too
A GI Springfield Armory topped with a Marvel Unit 2 Conversion kit, or... even a Unit 1, would be everything and more the Kimber .22 could ever wish it'd be.
Yeah, Kimber makes a full size 1911 in the .22 flavor, but it ain't all that great to be priced like that. I'd rather get some sort of 1911 and add a conversion kit, and you can still be CHEAPER than the Kimber .22. That gun be all hype. Actually not even hype since it usually gets so-so reviews too
A GI Springfield Armory topped with a Marvel Unit 2 Conversion kit, or... even a Unit 1, would be everything and more the Kimber .22 could ever wish it'd be.
I could be mistaken, but I don't think any 1911 conversions allow the slide to lock back on the last round either. The best you can do if you want a .22 caliber 1911 is get a conversion and live with no slide-lock or get the 22/45 which I'm told has a simliar (same?) grip angle.
Vern Humphrey
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The old Colt Ace and Service Ace conversion kits (the latter with the floating chamber) do lock the slide back when the last round is fired. Both slide and magazine are made of steel, so they can take the pounding. Softer aluminum slides and magazines would soon wear out if they locked back.
So I guess I am mistaken!! Show's what I know.
Why are you looking for a dedicated .22 in a 1911 pattern anyway? I love the pistol myself and I'd probably grab something like that if I could, but even a conversion would be cool. Plus that gives the option of a more potent caliber if you ever want/need it.
Why are you looking for a dedicated .22 in a 1911 pattern anyway? I love the pistol myself and I'd probably grab something like that if I could, but even a conversion would be cool. Plus that gives the option of a more potent caliber if you ever want/need it.
farscott
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The Jarvis kit also locks the slide back after the last round has been fired.
Vern Humphrey
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To get a dedicated .22 in a 1911 pattern, get a frame and put a quality conversion kit on it and leave it there.
That's what I do -- I have a Fed Ord gun I built from a "kit" and it wears a Ciener kit (a plinker) and an Argentine M1927 that wears my Colt Service Ace kit.
Standing Wolf
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The Kimber model 1911 .22 is all aluminum.
I've got a Kimber .22 long rifle slide atop my regular steel model 1911 frame. It feels a lot more like a real gun—and it's amazingly accurate, too.
I've got a Kimber .22 long rifle slide atop my regular steel model 1911 frame. It feels a lot more like a real gun—and it's amazingly accurate, too.
On the Old Colt Ace didn't they also have a floating chamber so that the recoil seemed similar to that of a 1911 .45? I have never shot one of the conversions but I am making the assumption they and the new Kimber .45 don't have this feature. I am not sure this would even be a worthwile feature anyhow. I do like any pistol to lock open on the last shot. That has been the only thing that has kept me from buying one of the Marvel units.
Vern Humphrey
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The Ace pistols and conversion kits do not have the floating chamber. The Service Ace pistols and conversion kits do have it (I have a Service Ace conversion kit.) There are all sorts of legends about the floating chamber, but the fact is the Aces are heavy -- they're all steel, and the barrrel is full-size, but with a .22 caliber bore. With some ammunition of the day, this made functioning marginal. The floating chamber took care of that.
You can feel the floating chamber if you are attuned to it, but the effect on recoil is negligible
I have used a couple of older Colt conversion units on several different frames, Colts and aftermarket, and never could get the slide to lock.
Then someone pointed out that the slide lock was different on a .22 than on a .45, and this part is numbered with a single digit number to indicate which caliber it's made for. I had never noticed this number stamped on the lock but there it was when I looked for it. Sure enough, my unit had the .45 slide lock. It took me many months of searching but I finally found a lock with the correct number. It still didn't work.
I recently bought a complete Charles Daly 1911 lower off AuctionArms for $165 and mounted the .22 unit on it to make a dedicated .22 pistol.
Guess what? Yup. The slide locks every time, now. Go figure.
Then someone pointed out that the slide lock was different on a .22 than on a .45, and this part is numbered with a single digit number to indicate which caliber it's made for. I had never noticed this number stamped on the lock but there it was when I looked for it. Sure enough, my unit had the .45 slide lock. It took me many months of searching but I finally found a lock with the correct number. It still didn't work.
I recently bought a complete Charles Daly 1911 lower off AuctionArms for $165 and mounted the .22 unit on it to make a dedicated .22 pistol.
Guess what? Yup. The slide locks every time, now. Go figure.
Vern Humphrey
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So how do you like that old Colt Service Ace conversion kit? Mine shoots right in with my Ruger MK II.
ClarkEMyers
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I like the Colt Service Ace - I have 2
It's a nuisance to swap on and off at the range [not a problem at home on a mat with a good light] so I do keep one set up on a more or less dedicated frame. Obviously in today's world the Marvel has a lot going for it but I wasn't impressed by much else that's COTS.
Mine have not been perfectly reliable. I've been told they do wear in but it takes a long long time. Good enough though. The frame is set up with an enlarged safety and light trigger though without a beavertail and without a styled hammer so I do have a high thumb grip but not a match for my carry pistol. I never know whether to clean with the floating chamber as a bore guide or with the floating chamber out but I do clean the floating chamber and the recess pretty vigorously.
For anything but a Service Ace, Ace or Marvel I'd go with one of the new .17 rimfires for something different and carrying more energy for ground squirrels.
It's a nuisance to swap on and off at the range [not a problem at home on a mat with a good light] so I do keep one set up on a more or less dedicated frame. Obviously in today's world the Marvel has a lot going for it but I wasn't impressed by much else that's COTS.
Mine have not been perfectly reliable. I've been told they do wear in but it takes a long long time. Good enough though. The frame is set up with an enlarged safety and light trigger though without a beavertail and without a styled hammer so I do have a high thumb grip but not a match for my carry pistol. I never know whether to clean with the floating chamber as a bore guide or with the floating chamber out but I do clean the floating chamber and the recess pretty vigorously.
For anything but a Service Ace, Ace or Marvel I'd go with one of the new .17 rimfires for something different and carrying more energy for ground squirrels.
Zach S
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In a recent thread of mine, someone reccomended the advantage arms conversion, which, according to the website, does lock the slide with an empty magazine.
www.advantagearms.com
You'll just have to get a dedicated frame for it, you could probably pick up a used lower for cheap.
It can get expensive (trust me), but with a few bricks it'll pay for itself.
www.advantagearms.com
You'll just have to get a dedicated frame for it, you could probably pick up a used lower for cheap.
It can get expensive (trust me), but with a few bricks it'll pay for itself.
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