1911 Ford, Chevy or Dodge - Which 1911?

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OK - I know this is a lot like which truck you like, Ford, Chevy or Dodge (maybe something else) but I'm looking at a Kimber, Springfield Armory and a Para all in the $800 - $1000 range.

I am leaning towards the Kimber Stainless II. Not realy fancy, but as I understand real good. I have heard good things about the others as well, but thought I'd get a bit more insight from those that have done more "test driving" than I have. Please let me know.
 
Kimber, I have several and they are all shooters! That said, I don't own the others so I'm biased towards the brand that works for me. You are going to get a myriad of different opinions here, but you already know that. Odd that questions about firearms and calibers provoke passionate opinions
 
Take a look at the SIG GSR - it's available in your price range, and the latest examples are very impressive indeed. I think it's now the best value and quality for the money under $1K.
 
I currently own a Sig GSR, Para, Kimber, Colt and a Springfield. Now all of the Para's I have owned have been the double stacks. With that said of the single stacks I can't really tell a difference. For some reason I can't warm up to the Springfields other than the WWII Spec.

Of course one of the things that is on my have to have list is no FLGR, if the pistol has it how hard is it to replace with a standard plug and short guide rod. For that reason I don't think I'll purchase a Kimber Commander. Now of all of the brands purchased new only the GSR came with the plug/short guide rod.
 
In that price range, I think it would be hard to find a 1911 that wasn't real good. At least you would expect more than basic. FWIW, the S&W 1911's offer allot of quality and upgrades + for the $ too. I bought one and it has features, function, and accuracy up near my custom gold cup.
 
You probably can't go wrong with any of the brands you mentioned.

I have two Kimbers (one series one, and one series II) and they are really nice. They have great triggers, very accurate, nicely finished and reliable. They also have really nice trigger actions. I think they are a great value and my favorite brand of 1911.

I owned a Springfield armory and it was a great gun too. Well finished, reliable, accurate. I ultimately traded it because I didn't like the blocky front strap (it was an older model with the blocky front strap), but I would buy another SA pistol without hesitation.

The new S&W 1911's look really nice too. Really well built, really well finished, with really nice trigger actions too (rivaling the Kimbers).
 
Like many others here, I've shot just about every 1911 on the market, and own several of them.

Top favorites = Kimber & SA, no question, no competition, nobody else comes close for that price range (there are superior products available on the market, but they'll cost you dearly, such as an Ed Brown, etc.).

I'm going on 10,000 rounds in my Kimber Team Match II and no problems with any of the so-called "dreaded" MIM parts...I guess it's a mental thing, because I can't find any physical evidence to back it up. I also have a basic stock Kimber Custom II and a Custom Stainless TLE II. None of the three pistols liked SWC's and they each had just the tiniest bit of creep, so I had them get a fluff and buff ($60 for a trigger action job and barrel feed ramp polishing for each of the pistols) and now they are my perfect shooters. It's interesting to note that most people I have shoot my Kimbers can't really tell the difference in performance/results between the three...the basic Kimber 1911 is that good.

My Springer Custom Loaded Full-Size 1911-A1 in Black Stainless is almost identical in performance and nitpicks with my Kimber TMII. It does have an internal extractor, rather an an external, and only 7+1 instead of 8+1 rnds, but other than that, it's equally amazing. It, too, had a tiniest bit of creep and didn't like SWC's, until it also got a fluff and buff, and, again, problems solved and it is an amazing shooter.

I can't decide between my SA & Kimber...both are that good. I'm especially impressed with their fittings: slide/frame, barrel/bushing...almost zero play.

The Sig is supposed to be even tighter than the SA & Kimber, but numerous reports of reliability problems are holding me off on that one until they get the bugs/glitches ironed out. Recent samples are reported to be much better than the older serial numbers. Preacherman knows his stuff, so if he says the quality is now fine and represents the best performance/$ value for <$1k, then I'd definitely take his assessment into consideration, too.

Para's...ah, the enigma of Para's...their quality has been all over the map in the last several years...a real hit and miss, if you know what I mean. Some samples are so perfectly fitted that you'd swear they were lapped together and hand-fitted together. But most I've fonded are as loose and sloppy as a [insert crude joke here] and make a Taurus seem like an Ed Brown...and that's saying something. You definitely take your chances with a Para.

Kimber or Springer...you can't go wrong...probably close to 60-70 variations in that price range offered between Kimber and Springer.

Good luck!! (and we expect pictures and a full range report, too!! ;) )
 
I'm in the market too

I am looking at 500- 800 bucks.

I am going to go 1911 shopping this afternoon. I've been thinking abot a Kimber, SW, or SA. I want a fullsize. Its a tough choice. I've shot 2 Kimbers before,a dn held a few, they feel great in my hand, better thatn the SA. I've never seen a SW1911.

I'm basically looking for a decent platform where I wont have to upgrade too much, if at all.

have fun shopping, from what I've read you can't go wrong, adn it is like asking Ford, Chevy or Dodge
 
I have a Kimber Classic Stainless II and it has been a heck of a nice gun for me so far. No jams and incredible accuracy.
 
I'm not a fan of the double stack 1911's so that might rule out Para for ya. I've owned a couple Colts, a SA Mil Spec and a Kimber. Of the 3, I like Colt the best followed 2 & 2a by SA and Kimber...go w/ the one you can get the best deal on that has the features you're looking for!
 
The field is getting smaller..........

A lot of great feedback..........thanks very much. Got it narrowed down now to the Kimber Stainless TLE II and the Springer "Custom Loaded Full Size". I realy like the feel of the grip checkering on the TLE and recognize either would be a fine 1911 representative in my collection..........tough call..........leaning toward the TLE.
 
I got a TLE II

Just bought it Monday night. Kimber TLE II, stainless steel. I am loving it, though have not fired it yet. Go with the TLE II it will make you happy!

Here is mine:
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I spent more than I originally planned I would, but it has all the features I wanted, and is some serious quality, and shooting accuracy so I went ahead and got it.

I was down to the last two, the Kimber and the Springer Loaded, but the Kimber felt better in my hand, had better controls, and thats what I went with. The Springer would have been less expensive, but...
 
I am hoping the following is helpful, but it might just muddy the waters. I own 1911's from Colt, Springfield Armory, and STI, and I have owned Kimbers. In the $800 to $1000 price range, my experience is the STI Trojan 5.0 is, far and away, the winner. Now you might ask why?

The reasons are the Trojan uses pretty good parts that are pretty well put together, STI will allow you to order the gun with sight options, grip options, and finish options you choose (which minimizes spending more money on the grips and sights later), and STI has excellent customer service. For example, my Trojan 5.0 in 9x19 shipped with a Heinie fixed rear sight mated to an STI front post sight, standard thickness 1911 grips and bushings, and a hard chrome finish. I could have easily ordered the same pistol with adjustable sights, a Dawson fiber-optic front sight, thin grips and bushings, and a matte blue finish. That Trojan is the near equal of a few of my customized Colts, near equal at half the price and less than a quarter of the wait time. My 9x19 Trojan was delivered within eight weeks of ordering.

But back to the parts. What really makes the Trojan such a good deal is the parts. The slide is well mated to the frame. The STI hammer and sear are about as good as any parts on the market, and the STI trigger is a decent choice. The grip safety is as well fit as the grip safety on many custom pistols. STI makes very nice barrels that shoot very nice groups. Together, they give a very nice feeling and shooting pistol. The trigger does not wobble in the raceways. In addition, there are no firing pin safety systems, no ILS mainspring housing locks with non-standard 1911 parts, no external extractors that may be single-sourced, and no loaded chamber indicator holes in the barrels. All for a price less than the new Colt's, the "Loaded" Springfields, and many of the Kimbers.

My only beefs with the Trojan are the addition of front cocking serrations and the use of a polymer mainspring housing.

If you get the opportunity, investigate the Trojan and try one for yourself. I have been shooting my 9x19 Trojan for over eighteen months. I have had a single failure, a failure-to-feed the first round that I traced to a magazine. Other than that, this pistol has digested everything and shot very nice grips. The slide literally feels like it cycles on rails.

I also have a Trojan 6.0 (longslide with six-inch barrel and slide) in .40 S&W that I have shot a bit. I picked this one up second-hand, and it is not quite the equal of the one I bought new. Specifically, the trigger did not seem as well fit. But if still feels better than any of the other NIB 1911's I have bought. This trigger is an STI short trigger, and it may have been installed by the previous owner. STI has offered to check this pistol and bring it back to factory specification, but I have not yet sent it in. Great customer service on a used pistol.
 
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