1911 Hammer Spur. No Purpose?

[Jammer Six]

Interesing thread

And it's right on time.

I have a brand new milspec, and I intend to make two and only two changes to it.

I mean it. Really. Only two, I swear.

Unless something breaks...

I'm going to put a beavertail and a flat mainspring housing on it.

Last time, I replaced the ignition, to get a hammer that would work with the beavertail.

This time, I'm just going to bob the hammer down far enough to clear the beavertail.

After reading this, I think I'll leave enough for function, (the commander hammers have enough "spur" for function, so it should be possible) but bobbing the spur is a LOT simpler than a new ignition system.

Not to mention cheaper.

Especially once you count all those hammers and sear...

 

[Old Fuff]

Yes, you are leaning. Take a look at the hammer used in a Detonics.

http://www.detonicsusa.com/combatmaster.html

 

[Jammer Six]

Leaning?

Which direction, Old Man?

Do I want to lean further, or try to get back to plumb?

Detonics. Nasty little gun.

There's one in the rental case at the range. When it's not out for repair.

Jammer's Rules For Gunfight: #1 No Nasty Little Guns.

 

[Old Fuff]

Oh darn!! Try LEARNING ...

YOU ARE JUST SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THE HAMMER SPUR!

Ugly, but very functional.

 

[bigjim]

Aged

This is what I like about this forum....talking with a bunch a guys that actually
were around to see these things invented.

 

[Old Fuff]

Bigjim:

I was around BEFORE these things were invented ...

 

[Jammer Six]

I heard you were around when John Moses built his FIRST gun.

 

[Old Fuff]

>> I heard you were around when John Moses built his FIRST gun. <<

Yup, tis true. And I can tell you this. Not one part was made by MIM, and it worked fine, right off the workbench ...

 

[Jammer Six]

Not the way I heard it...

I heard the extractor was screwed up, and he had to take it to Sample for tuning.

 

[BluesBear]

Don't forget that the 1911 and designed by JMB had a nice wide checkered spur which works extremely well for thumb cocking and decocking.
Which is why every 1911 pattern pistol I have owned in the past 25 years has had one. Including the Officers ACP.

If properly practiced Condition Two carry is just as safe and dang near as fast as Condition One carry.

And before y'all start flaming me please notice I used the phrase "properly practiced".

 

[Jammer Six]

Tell us, Old Fuff, did they teach carrying unloaded before WW I?

 

[Old Fuff]

Dear boy ....

No one who knows him would let him actually carry a cartridge in a pistol ...

That's what shirt pockets are for ...

 

[Jammer Six]

What's a "shirt", Old Man?

 

[Old Fuff]

>> What's a "shirt", Old Man? <<

Something folks in the construction biz are likely too lose if the economy goes south ....

PS: Where else would I keep my "bullet?"

 

[Jammer Six]

No wonder I don't know what it is...

I've never heard it called a "bullet" before, not sure I'd admit that in public...

Maybe when I'm older. Much older.

 

[Old Fuff]

Art's Grandma is going to come look'n for you ...!!

 

[sm]

Right Smart Fella...

JMB predicted the computer age and the invent of the Internet.

So besides his abilty to design remarkable firearms such as the 1911, with everything about them with a purpose and reason for design...
...he tossed in argumentitive and debatable characteristics.

Hammer Spur is just one...

'Nuther JMB invent comes to fruition...

 

[NMshooter]

Is it wrong to admit that I read these threads as much for the entertainment value as the educational value?

 

[HighVelocity]

Stumbled across this pic today and it's exactly what I was referring to.

 

[RyanM]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that JMB originally designed a .45 for the army which was single action and striker-fired, like the 1903 and 1908 pocket hammerless guns. But that design didn't even get past the planning stage because Uncle Sam insisted on an external hammer, so that dud rounds could be hit again.

Whether this is true, I don't know.

 

[BluesBear]

All of the Colt/Browning Military designs in both .38ACP and .45 ACP featured an external hammer.

Photos of all of the Colt/Browning military designs have been posted in this thread. (post #87)

 

[RyanM]

All the designs that were produced. Repeating myself...

that design didn't even get past the planning stage

 

[BluesBear]

The US Government initally tested/considered other designs that did not feature an external hammer. It was during those tests that they decided an external hammer was preferrable.

The Colt/Browning designs had always had external hammers, even before the Government specified an external hammer.

But that design didn't even get past the planning stage

Cite please.

 

[RyanM]

Can't seem to find it again. Must have gotten confused and thought the 1911 started as a striker-fired thing instead of beating out striker-fired autos. Either I was or whoever I read it from was.