1911 Question - Tuner, Ol' Fuff, Best Barrel Bushing?

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I just picked up a very early 70 series Colt GM which has the collet bushing. I would like to replace this with a solid bushing. Who makes the best "drop-in" part that is forged? If a "drop-in" part is not recommended, is this a part that I could easily fit myself? If so, how? Thanks for your response and contribution to my (1911) continuing education.

Dave
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If I may tag on to the original post keeping the same subject matter, I would like to know who makes the best hard fit bushing also. Thanks.
 
There are a couple of good threads over on 1911.com regarding this very subject. Somebody suggested using a brake cylinder hone for fitting the i.d.; sounds interesting.
 
I REALLY like the EGW pre-fit angle-bored bushings.

I've installed 2 so far, one in my Kimber, and another in my Colt.

Both only needed minor fitting, (using Tuner's slurry) and both work great.

Brownells has them here

YMMV, but I recommend them.

R
 
I used to use a Spherical bushing that was always tight, even when the barrel unlocks and drops down....I dont know if it is still available tho
 
Bushing

Hey Slabslinger...Sorry for the delay. Many beans on the plate these days.

I've never tried the spherical bushing or the angle-bored bushing, but as reflected here, I've heard good things about'em both. As with any drop-in part...Hope that it does, but don't count on it.

For a standard design bushing that is as near drop-in as you can get and still get a tighter fit, I've had very good results with MGW's Drop-in number. All that I've seen or used have been held to very close tolerances and run from
.799-.800 inch OD....580-.581 ID, which is at the high and low end of print-spec tolerance. This means that you'll likely have to lap it to fit most slides.
The amount of fitting required will vary according to the bore diameter. Some will slip right in with very little play...1-2 thousandths...and some will have a light interferance fit that will require some lapping. Most of the time, some straight J&B Bore Cleaner will do the trick. Use a bushing wrench to turn it back and forth. Be careful not to let it ooze out onto the front of the slide, or you'll remove the bluing with the lap. Just a light smear in the slide bore will do. The barrel clearance should be around .001-.002 inch on most barrels. If it's closer, you may want to lap the bushing ID to the barrel OD at the same time. It's a good idea to lap with the barrel in place anyway, since the busshing may be a little tough to remove so you can add a litle more compound, and the barrel can be used as a makeshift slide hammer to bump it out. Bump lightly many times rather than trying to ram it out.

As the bushing starts to turn easier, add a little light oil to the J&B and keep lapping until the bushing is just finger-tight. Takes a little effort to turn it, but not so much that you need a wrench. If you want a slightly tighter fit,
you can back the slide up a quarter-inch before trying to turn the bushing.
That may loosen it up a little.

Check for barrel springing in the slide when you're through...and check for
complete linkdown when the gun is assembled. Some will hold just tight enough to keep the barrel off the frame bed if there's not enough clearance
behind the muzzle. The barrel touches the lower radius of the non-fitted portion of the bushing, and if it happens, the barrel won't unlock completely from the slide. Ruined lugs are usually the result. Rare, but I've run into it with some barrels. Scrape the rear lip at an angle to get clearance. Never seen one spring back with an MGW Drop-in...but check anyway. Most don't with as little as .001 clearance at the muzzle...but it's a possibility.

If you have a lathe and a bushing mandrel, you can spin it at aboput 1.000 rpms and dress it lightly with a smooth mill file...LIGHTLY...a 6-inch file is best. File only the rear fitting area of the bushing, and be careful not to let the file hit the bushing's lug. Might be a good idea to use a file with a safe side or knock the cutting teeth off the edge on a belt sander to prevent lug damage if you're not used to filing in a lathe. I generally use a lathe and mandrel with hard-fit bushings only, and have never had the need with the MGW Drop-in, but it's still an option. Lapping them in works well, albeit a little time-consuming with some gun/bushing combinations.

Luck!
 
Thanks for all the replies.

Tuner, I appreciate all of the information you shared and think that I will just try to do it myself according to your instructions. It doesn't sound difficult, just time consuming. Thanks for for taking the time to respond, as I am sure that you are still busy getting settled in to your new place.

Dave
a/k/a SlabSlinger
 
Robear: Thanks for the link to the EGW bushing @ Brownell's. I recently bought a bushing from Brownell's and was specifically looking for the EGW bushing. When I did a search for "1911 barrel bushing," I got three pages of hits, but not the EGW.

Don't know why their search doesn't show the EGW, but I just tried again, and the EGW still doesn't come up, using the search feature.
 
The Two GWs

Just so we're clear...MGW and EGW are often confused. I've never used any of EGW's drop-in bushings. I do, however, use a lotta their oversized, square-bottomed firing pin stops. :D

EGW (Evolution Gun Works) makes and markets an excellent line of parts...
Check'em out sometime. George is professional and almost never too busy to talk with a customer personally. A top-notch company. The only parts that I've used from MGW has been their bushings...both drop-in and hard-fit. Second to none, IMO. I'm sure that their entire line of parts is of like quality.
 
So, Tuner, do you recommend a two-stone or three-stone wheel cylinder hone for fitting the i.d. of barrel bushings? :D
 
One Stone, Three

Da question:

>Do you recommend a two-stone or three-stone wheel cylinder hone for fitting the i.d. of barrel bushings?<

Dingleberry... :D

Neither. A flex hone is self-centering, and follows the hole rather than the true centerline, or axis. Great for wheel cylinders, but not good for precise hole sizing. I've used fixed, sized reamers.(Expensive to have all the sizes) Expandable reamers.(Cheaper, but lacking..somehow) Even used a Sunnen Hone once, which worked well, but I can't afford a Sunnen Hone. I use my lathe, a mandrel, a live center, and a boring bar when I need to open one up to size, followed by an application of emery cloth on fingertip to smooth it up. Takes more time than a reamer, but I don't need several expensive pieces of tooling in .0005 inch steps that eventually wear. Maybe remove a half thou from the barrel with a smooth mill file...also with the lathe... and sand for smooth...Maybe file a little off the area behind the muzzle pad for clearance, and ba-da-BING!

Turn the mandrel around and reduce the bushing OD to fit semi-tight in the slide...sand to smooth, and finish lap in the slide bore. (I never use a bushing to slide fit that requires a wrench to turn the bushing. Just one of my little quirks.)

Reminds me...19112xs wants me to fit a bushing to one of his guns, and I still can't find my dang mandrel. Guess I'll hafta make another one. :mad:
 
I'm gonna get myself one of those expandable reamers the next time I rebuild my wheel cylinders! ;)
 
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