1911 Tactical (sorry), like FNP 45T

[gbw]

My eyes are getting older along with the rest of me, and I'd like to try optical sights on one of my 1911s.

I have a couple of Remsport 1911 slides available, that have no sight cuts.

FNP 45 Tactical photos show a very clean installation of an optical sight recessed into the top of the slide.

I don't know which sight is used, nor the mount, hence the questions.........

Does anyone know:
a) Any reason a 1911 slide couldnt be recessed and the signt / mount installed the same as the FNPs?
b) The name / model of the sight and mount FN uses?
c) Any other tips/tricks or similar already-done projects to use for help?

Thanks, when I giterdone I'll post photos.

Thanks in advance

 

[gb6491]

I don't have any first hand experience with it, but I've seen that type of mount done on 1911s. There are also some mounts available that use the rear sight dovetail for what, IMO, is a very clean look.
Here are some links that might be of interest to you:
http://www.socnet.com/showpost.php?p=1336697&postcount=49
http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?76522-RMR-on-a-1911&
http://www.jprifles.com/1.6.1.php
http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/pictures.html (bottom left)
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=61479
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=3240838
http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=83420&page=1&pp=10
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=309260
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=292217
http://www.eabco.com/jpoint01.html
http://www.riflescopes.webyshops.co...int-Reflex-Sight-3-5-MOA-Dot-All-Mounts-66135 (scroll right arrow for installed photos)
Regards,
Greg

 

[Jim Watson]

gb has listed what is available.
I can say that the club member's Glock 24 I shot with low mounted sight of that type was very quick to the aim. The machining to get it that low will cost a good bit but I think the installation makes it faster to work with than just perching it up on a dovetail adapter.

 

[gbw]

Perhaps this should have been ing Gunsmithing...anyhow,

Thank you both for the excellent answers, gb in particular for all the research and the wonderful links. I may try one of each - Leupold and JP.

On some of the guns shown it looks like the sights are screwed directly to a flat on the slide, without using a mounting plate - is this correct, or is a mounting plate always required? (The mounts look to have small locator buttons protruding on the sight side, and maybe that is necessary to mount the sight for some reason?)

Again, thank you.

 

[MidwestRookie]

here's a close-up of a jpoint mounted on a 1911 slide..even I can't really tell what kind of mount it's on. But it does look like there's at least a small mount attached to the slide.

 

[gbw]

In your good photo, is that a mount or a shadow? Looks to me like the sight is screwed directly to a cut in the slide. But remember my eyes are getting older.

If the slide is milled flat, drilled and tapped for the sight, a separate mount would seem superfluous?

Seems a mount would be needed to adapt an existing slide sight cut - for example a dovetail cut - to a flat-bottomed optical sight. But I've no experience and could easily be wrong.

 

[MidwestRookie]

Honestly, I can't tell if the JPoint is just mounted to a dovetail mount or not. It doesn't look milled into the slide like I've seen on polymer guns, but it's so close it's hard to call. It looks to me like it's on a small dovetail mount...unlike the fastfire on my beretta 92 it looks a lot lower. It is an Ed Brown, the owner could very well have had it milled to his specs.

mine with normal mount..

 

[Greg528iT]

I have a Primary Arms, green dot. from what I have seen of the Leopold, JP etc, and the Prim Arms, the bases are almost exactly the same. To the point, that I am using a Burris dovetail mount with the Prim Arms. It is a great fit.
You slide / tap the oem rear site out, and slip the drilled and tapped dove tail into place. The mount mount then screws to the dovetail with legs on either side of the slide hiding the dovetail slot. A very secure mount.

The JP, melt in mount, would basically be machining a flat across the slide, locating the attach holes (2) and index pins (4) . This would be a very good option IF I was 100% sure the optical sites were everything I'd ever want. They might be.

The JP 1911 mount I saw (non melt in) looked from pictures to fully sit above the slide. I liked how the Burris and Leopold wrapped down and around the slide enough to hide the dovetail.

The JP site above looks to be machined into the slide.

 

[gbw]

The question I'm still not clear on is:

Is a mount always required, or is it an option to simply screw the sight, either the Leopold or the JP, directly to a flat machined on the slide?

(i.e. If the mount is required as a part of the sight in order to permit sight adjustment, then of course it would be necessary. If the mount functions only as an adaptor, then it may not be needed if the slide is milled for direct sight attachment.)

 

[Greg528iT]

The sight will mount to a machined flat surface with 2, drill and tapped holes for the screws. The tapped holes in the flat machined area / plate.

Adding indexing pins (4) on the Burris and Primary Arms (and assume) on the JPoint and Leupold will allow removal and replacement of the battery (mounts under base) with little or no re zeroing of the sight. Even then the screws may get it pretty close, but with the index pins I would not hesitate to think I was nearly dead on.

 

[Walkalong]

This one is mounted on the JP mount made for the Kimber dovetail. Some people have the slide milled and tapped to mount the JPoint straight to the slide, and that gets it lower. Very nice set up. The 1911 in post#5 is done that way.

 

[gbw]

The lower, 'integrated' type of mounting is what I'm after; seems that FN attaches the sight directly to their slide on their FNP45T as well, without a separate mount.

I am surprised the sight must be removed to change the battery. Perhaps one of t he other mfgs. won't require this.

Y'all taught me what i needed to learn, I hope, and I'm grateful. Now left only to decide on a particular sight or 2 (I have 2 spare slide/Kart combos available). Looks like Leopold and/or JP.

Thanks again to all who helped.